EVE General Discussion

I'm everything except a high sec player, although I do have a suicide ganking alt for when I'm bored, so I guess I do high sec as well. Which pigeonhole will you fit me into?

Cant we just work on improving game as whole instead of bickering over which sec gets majority?

Easy fixs remove csm done. No need for them. Do i care nope do i need them nope do the do what the want? yup so why keep them? 90% of those players in game do not give f*ck about csm because let be honest here, your just playing a game. Nothing more.... And devs do what the want. Pushing releasing stuff we do not ask, why the change? why change the interface back to 1999 style? why removing stuff like juxeboxs why remove the all mighty weapons dooms day and Nerf them in a nutshell? And so on and on and on...........

Because like i say the do what the want to do. A new commander on the wheel and all crazy things are happening. Working on other games and split eve in 2 game`s with the money from eve online. Then making updates that take age to Finnish or half broken or half done its the same.

I play way to long in eve. Catch my drift here. Nothing will change the do not listen. The keep dreaming that the can make eve in a cash cow. If the do that we are losing the game.

Yes. There's a lot more to the statistics to analyse than just the simple numbers.

Of my current 8 characters, 7 are in highsec right now, yet the total time they actually do anything (5 of them are just cyno alts) is less than 1/4 of what I do on Scipio.

Even those 5 cyno alts that are parked in highec currently are there for station/region trading, but if they have to undock then it's off to lowsec and nullsec for them and then back to their trading station.

One player, mostly playing in lowsec and nullsec, yet the raw numbers look like 88% highsec and 12% nullsec.

All the while forgetting you never log those 7 in, so they wouldn't show up in the CCP snapshots anyways.

Let us all just agree then, we will never know who is a sole High or Null sec player, but that population activity is highest in High Sec and representation on the CSM is what, 90% null sec?




Now we are getting somewhere

Even if pure highsec players were the majority, most of them don't even know what the CSM is, nor do they care. So why bother representing them?

Representing pure highsec is like representing cats.

The CSM is a waste of my time, in reading about it, talking about it or voting for it.

I have zero interest in sending complete strangers to iceland to attempt to sway CCP in its decision making and game altering process.

To many power blocks with too many agendas for any of the games players to be totally unbiased.

Of Course im bitter cynical and disillusioned with the CSM as an institution. Like democracy, it was a good idea, its just proven impossible to find people selfless enough to make it work....... Come to think of it, much like democracy again.

No, they don't, for the very very very simple reason that they have never counted players. The numbers you're suggesting don't exist. The best they've ever been able to do as far as figuring out anything about actual players is a long-term trend estimate of 1.5 accounts/player, with no ability of telling how those accounts are distributed.

They have only ever counted characters parked in a given section of space at the time (and yes, this includes characters not being logged in) for the simple reason that this is all they can count. People then get confused about the difference between characters and players, forgetting that such a thing as alts exist (on average 3 per account).

The only facts we have — character distribution, average characters per account, average account per player — actually point to higsec being a minority. It just comes inherent with the simple fact that alts are a thing and that so few characters sit in highsec. When CCP themselves they tried to filter out “junk” characters that could conceivably just be some single-purpose alt, the shift away from highsec was pretty drastic. This isn't a matter of buzzwords; it's a matter of actually understanding what the data covers and not making the boneheaded assumption that counting characters is even remotely the same as counting characters.

At the end of the day, in order for highsec to be a majority, you're going to have to show that non-highseccer on average have an non-highsec:highsec alt ratio higher than 3:1. In other words, with an average number of alts per player being 3, a significant portion of them would have to not have any alts in highsec at all. You could approach this with numbers (which we don't have) or with some wishy-washy gut feeling… but guess what? The gut feeling is that the ratio is actually much lower than that; that most of them do have a highsec alt or five. If we go by anecdotal and individual data points, we often get ratios in the 1:2–1:4 range, but we can dismiss those as not being representative since any ratio lower than 1:2 would mean there are no highseccers at all.

No it's not, and no it's not.

More of the right kind of people is good. The wrong kind were always going to quit, because EVE isn't and never was intended for them.

As for CCP's finances, you talk about them as if you know they're about to go bankrupt and can prove it. So please, provide the data. Or, stop with this flaccid doomsaying that means absolutely nothing to anyone with a modicum of rational thought.

About the only one I know of is this guy for what he wants to do with wardecs.

The people wandering around multiboxing or whatever playing solo... just don't network. They don't read anything about how the game is broken and the crazy ideas put forward to fix it.

More: The walls of text in the CSM campaigns forum can be pretty imposing. Still, it passes the time while the stripminers cycle...