EVE General Discussion

I think you have hit the nail on the head on one of the issues with Eve.

In 2011 the alliance I was in found a niche and took 4 poor systems and renting them from Atlas at a cheap price in Querious, we had a great time pretending to be renters next to other renter types and killed a lot of stuff. Then the alliance that took over Atlas space came all greedy on us and we left to do something else. At that point it was only possible to do such things under the cover of the major entities and the fun was kicking people who roamed into what was our prime time late AU TZ.

In 2009 say what you want about the POS sov system it created some epic fights such as the IRC / ED fight against RA.

The fun part about that period was that the Goons were the first to start camping us, but we made it too tough for them so they went after Krysis instead, they did send two Au TZ alliances to go after our sov space and we managed to win by getting help from the dying remnents of Morsus Mihi, great times and the most fun I have had in Eve, defending rubbish space that we wanted, the two Goon aligned alliances even begged us for an organised fight which I refused, our fight was to defend our space and not some bull honour fight.

However it also became apparant to me that with the ease of infiltration that a small entity was pretty much in an impossible situation, add to that cloaking camping and the total dominance of capital swarms there was no way that we could hold or take space, most of us just played at it around the periphery or joined groups that held space and walked when they got the attention of the more predatory groups who could just take the space without breaking sweat. It became too difficult that you would be the turkey in the turkey shoot. So why bother?

My last period in Eve was fun in that I was killing mission runners in Stain of the Soviet Union, but it was hollow, not fun and got samey.

If I could get back to what I saw in 2011 then I would however there are predatory alliances that will just come in with their spy accounts then hell camp you, I guess I am waiting for them to die, and while I see signs that the Goons are dying, PL is not sadly.

CCP have not given enough tools for small alliances to keep a toehold against those entities, while that is the case expect us not to bother, and I repeat myself from another thread, a structure that can be cloaked that enables a player to stay in his own space regardless of his enemy destroying his main structures, CCP nerfed logistics so much for us little guys that the thought of moving around blocks me before I even start, so the idea to safeguard assets does not quite get there either...

You do not do PvP when you are motivated that way.

You simply go into fleets with a decent FC, and boost up your killmails without much risks, and whore on kill mails whenever your PvPer wingmates catch something and call in for whoring.

In fact those with 95%+ killboards stats will 99,9% of the time only be whorers and fleet lemmings, not PvPers

PS : I forgot the KM doctors, i.e. characters that will set up the stage for a succesful PvP interactions with different alts, and bring in their shiny "PvPer" on the kill once the victory is sure. They are not very different than whorers, just a bit more sophisticated int he way they do it.

For me Pvp is not my first love in eve.

However i pvp.

Why?

1. You are in my region, messing with my stuff.
2. I like your region and would like to mess with your stuff


Its all about stuff, defending my stuff or purloining yours.

Stuff. Mmmmmmmmm

I guess researching fits for your spaceship and trying to optimise it before you go out and fight is risk aversion too?

I am guy who never kills just for fun.

I need reason to fight.

Lately it has been really hard to find real reason to fight, 0.0 has no reason, FW is dead, highsec wars pretty useless (suicide ganking more effective and that is not my style).

so 500+ days from last pvp encounter for me.

yes its been always like that.

aside of the fact that noone wants to fight bunch of interceptors in Interceptors Online like it is now.

I too am from that era and i was in atlas during the fall. I feel like that was the end of an era in eve. Not the fall of atlas but that time period in general. CCP was trying to combat major alliances holding several regions. Trying to get us to take only what we need rather than own half the map. Atlas at the time had pretty close to 5 regions. its a ridiculous amount of space for an alliance.

Then the game changed, CCP tried to get alliances to confine their empires to what they needed rather than own 20 meh systems to get 5 really good systems. Renters started to become pretty common and now it seems like everyone is renting.

A lot of people blame the change on alliances like PL,NC, Goons. They take space just because they can and then rent it out and use the money to fund their campaign.

The way things use to be is you would have an alliance that was both indy and pvp/combat. Some corps were combat mostly and others were mostly indy. The indy corps supported the combat corps and the combat corps provided a local market for the indy corps.

But then something changed. PVP corps got tired of indy corps " not contributing" in battle and indy corps got tired of constantly trying to be forced to defend their space. So they spilt. Alliances are now almost either exclusively pvp or exclusively PVE. The PVPers dont really do much but rat and run sites in their space. And the indy peeps have no desire to defend their space or get a CTA together. They rather just wait it out in the dock until the aggressors get bored and go home.

I am old school when it comes to null. I feel like everyone should earn a right to be there and not just be able to pay their way in. I remember when i was young and running around high sec with my corp. We had a desire to hold null space some day. We would recruit people with the same desire, participated in wars for practice and did roams in low sec to practice gang and fleet ops. Even our indy guys would fly in the gangs. They werent very good at combat and had marginal combat skills so we would put them in medium to long range fits and tell them to just point and shoot and run from enemy ships. We did the tackle and ewar, they just did support.

Those days are gone. Its been replaced with this borefest of pvp alliances taking space all the time and then renting it out to carebears. No one earns their space anymore they just rent it. And those who take space, dont take it cause they need it, they take it just for lols. They dont use the space they take.

CCP tries to keep their interference in the game minimal letting the players dictate much of what goes on inside of eve. They give us nudges sometimes in the direction they would like things to go. But we are stubborn and we often find a way around it... like when they introduced TCUs and such and made systems upgradable . But really what we need is the heavy hand of the EVE gods to smack us around a bit. We need something heavy handed to put things back the way they use to be. Where alliances used the space the took and defended the space they owned. Where you earn your place in null not buy your way in.

Null is suppose to be a reward for higher risk and more work. Now its a carebear fest managed by a few dictators on power trips. Everyone stopped playing Eve and started playing " Overlord: Renter's Edition"

Boredom, profit, revenge? To show them who's the boss?

You people think too much.

We need more emotion driven narrative.

welp

That's what she said.