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Kronos: The Best Marauder?

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aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#61 - 2016-01-11 17:15:58 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
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Looks at my sig... um sure, I'll get right on that...
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Prove it, ie show me a 1hr video, or it didn't happen.
So now your vague statement of the best ship changes as you whole page talks about blitzing. Every ship in eve has its purpose. Yours may do missions quicker, but doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement that murauders are not the best.
I made the statement that my Golem will run ALL missions better than a pirate ship, you have yet to prove otherwise.
If the OP had said he wants to blitz missions I would not have made the statement.


Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#62 - 2016-01-11 18:21:08 UTC
All I know is I have used a Golem with RHML and XL-ASBs to great effect in level 5 missions.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#63 - 2016-01-11 22:12:14 UTC
conflag paladin is a beast, scorch... not so much. IN multi (and I'm pretty sure gamma) out damages scorch. However scorch has a tracking advantage, but I'm not sure how much that plays into things. most frigs/dessy get one shot, and most cruisers get 2 shot anyways.

Also with the paladin the damage type isn't that bad. works pretty well in amarr and caldari space. not sure about gallente. and I would avoid minmatar. Most of the gurista missions aren't a problem as they have blitzes. I'm not going to suggest you use a paladin for them but it can work reasonably well. I've said in the past paladin + machariel is probably my favorite pair of mission bs.

my armor marauders typically run a damage control, EANM, and c-type medium rep.

not sure the range nerfs on polarized weapons make them very useful. but I haven't tried them. the few missions where I think I would want to try them I'm thinking the mach is just better thanks to the warp speed + agility.

Kronos yea I like it, but for the most part I feel that its damage advantage isn't really any better than the machs speed advantage.

vargur I'm pretty meh about. mach does more damage and goes way faster. Vargur tanks more. not very useful most of the time.

aldhura wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
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Looks at my sig... um sure, I'll get right on that...
.


Prove it, ie show me a 1hr video, or it didn't happen.
So now your vague statement of the best ship changes as you whole page talks about blitzing. Every ship in eve has its purpose. Yours may do missions quicker, but doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement that murauders are not the best.
I made the statement that my Golem will run ALL missions better than a pirate ship, you have yet to prove otherwise.
If the OP had said he wants to blitz missions I would not have made the statement.

in eve being a jack of all trades is usually not the right move. flying a golem is as far as I'm concerned almost never the right move. and "all missions" is a pretty ridiculous thing to argue over. Have fun using your golem in recon, or the anomaly. (insert joke about mining and courier missions)

Sure the golem has the best damage type selection ability, but has way to many disadvantages imo. delayed damage, damage application, target painters, slot layout. meh

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#64 - 2016-01-11 23:06:34 UTC
aldhura wrote:

So now your vague statement of the best ship changes as you whole page talks about blitzing.
I made the statement that my Golem will run ALL missions better than a pirate ship, you have yet to prove otherwise.
If the OP had said he wants to blitz missions I would not have made the statement.


To be righteous, you should actually prove your statement first.
Also, in case of missions, faster = better since not full clearing mission does not change things.
Also, your statement is just vague statement. Chainsaw, Ahize and Arthur spent quite some time with their own threads, spreadsheets, extensive practicing and thinking out of the box in general.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2016-01-11 23:15:48 UTC
So basically we are now arguing about whether the Golem is overpowered and needs nerfing ???
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#66 - 2016-01-11 23:48:21 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
So basically we are now arguing about whether the Golem is overpowered and needs nerfing ???

I don't think any of us are drunk enough for that Pirate

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#67 - 2016-01-12 11:34:43 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
If you're blitzing, Machariel or Barghest. If you're looking to clear everything - one of the Polarized Marauder variants or a Rattlesnake. For shoot and loot it doesn't really matter which Marauder you use - only that it is a Marauder.


Polarized Marauders is bad advice. Why are you giving bad advice in your thread Arthur?
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#68 - 2016-01-12 11:40:28 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
conflag paladin is a beast, scorch... not so much. IN multi (and I'm pretty sure gamma) out damages scorch. However scorch has a tracking advantage, but I'm not sure how much that plays into things. most frigs/dessy get one shot, and most cruisers get 2 shot anyways.



Scorch lowers your tracking speed by 25%.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#69 - 2016-01-12 11:44:23 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
I personally don't understand why people use cruise or torps on a Golem when RHML seems the best to me.

The long reloads is a really big gut punch for sustained dps (even if the application is a lot better) and means that realistically RHML using fury ammo and Cruise using Faction ammo has near identical sustained dps and similar application. End of the day it's a case of 6 of one and half dozen of the other.

On a side note, not all effective launchers are created equal. A typhoon for example, with it's rof bonus rather than damage bonus would be slightly worse off using RHML than a damage bonussed hull would be. It's a good rule of thumb on weather or not to use Cruise vs RHML. Range is of course also a consideration on non bonussed hulls. This is why the Barghest makes such a great RHML platform.


For unknown reasons, people seem to frown on folks that uses the Barghests for PVE. But seriously how well can a RHML Barghest do Lev 4 full clear compared to a Cruise Golem?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#70 - 2016-01-12 14:38:02 UTC
The recent minor buff to the Barghest has really made it a great platform so it's possible some people are still a bit behind on the changes.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#71 - 2016-01-12 14:42:50 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
If you're blitzing, Machariel or Barghest. If you're looking to clear everything - one of the Polarized Marauder variants or a Rattlesnake. For shoot and loot it doesn't really matter which Marauder you use - only that it is a Marauder.


Polarized Marauders is bad advice. Why are you giving bad advice in your thread Arthur?

Marauders are the only platform I'd run Polarized weapon on ever really (Short of the odd safe tower bash in a Vindi) So it's the best advice to give, once the pilot is comfortable with the ship of course.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#72 - 2016-01-12 16:08:49 UTC
Some people don't realize that gank is tank.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#73 - 2016-01-12 18:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Estella Osoka wrote:
Some people don't realize that gank is tank.


I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk.


Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#74 - 2016-01-12 19:18:29 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Some people don't realize that gank is tank.


I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk.


Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please?


It is a tight fit, and I'm sure can be improved upon. It isn't as fast as a pair of Domis remote repping, or a Carrier. Remember, you can always travel fit it when moving, and then take along a mobile depot to refit at the mission system.

[Golem, L5]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Bastion Module I
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
[Empty High slot]

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-605
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-705
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#75 - 2016-01-13 11:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Some people don't realize that gank is tank.


I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk.


Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please?


It is a tight fit, and I'm sure can be improved upon. It isn't as fast as a pair of Domis remote repping, or a Carrier. Remember, you can always travel fit it when moving, and then take along a mobile depot to refit at the mission system.

[Golem, L5]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Bastion Module I
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
[Empty High slot]

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-605
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-705
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005


Are you doing lev 5s in this Golem solo? How efficiently can this Golem do lev 5s? Why RHML instead of Cruise? And those heavy neuts are to ward off potential gankers?

Can dual Passive tanked Rattlers with 1.3k passive tank doing 840 dps each do lev 5s?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#76 - 2016-01-13 15:52:35 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Some people don't realize that gank is tank.


I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk.


Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please?


It is a tight fit, and I'm sure can be improved upon. It isn't as fast as a pair of Domis remote repping, or a Carrier. Remember, you can always travel fit it when moving, and then take along a mobile depot to refit at the mission system.

[Golem, L5]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Bastion Module I
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
[Empty High slot]

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-605
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-705
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005


Are you doing lev 5s in this Golem solo? How efficiently can this Golem do lev 5s? Why RHML instead of Cruise? And those heavy neuts are to ward off potential gankers?

Can dual Passive tanked Rattlers with 1.3k passive tank doing 840 dps each do lev 5s?


Yes, this is solo. Neuts are for potential baddies invading the mission. RHML because it applies damage better to smaller targets. Especially the kind that invade your mission.

I've never tried dual Rattlers for an L5, but I assume they can work just as well as a pair of RR Domis. Problem might be if one particular Rattler gets primaried over the other.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#77 - 2016-01-14 01:33:38 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
There are very few missions where you can effectively utilize blasters to their full potential. At 60km you're going to be losing anything gained over 425mm railguns.


Zero missions have every foe at 60km.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#78 - 2016-01-14 02:13:05 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
There are very few missions where you can effectively utilize blasters to their full potential. At 60km you're going to be losing anything gained over 425mm railguns.


Zero missions have every foe at 60km.

Not true, but they are rare.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#79 - 2016-01-15 16:58:41 UTC
I've been playing around with a Kronos blaster fit and it's quite a riot. You can pretty much hit even frigates out to around 80km and it melts anything within 40km. 1800 applied DPS is nothing to laugh at...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#80 - 2016-01-15 20:00:15 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I've been playing around with a Kronos blaster fit and it's quite a riot. You can pretty much hit even frigates out to around 80km and it melts anything within 40km. 1800 applied DPS is nothing to laugh at...


Told ya so! P