Missions & Complexes

Just quit exploring and go back to missions where rewards are more consistent. Less competition for me. You don't deserve the loot if you don't work hard for it.

In short, just quit already.

Four sites is really not enough to make such conclusion. Sorry.

Funny how whenever someone posts a thread like this, its always the same character troll posting them... And try actually reading the reply, I never said he did 10 sites. Additionally, 3 out of 4 cans being empty in a Radar site may be the standard now, but it surely wasn't that way before the expansion. Besides that, you have said many times that you don't bother with Radar sites so it's not on you to contradict others when you have no substantial evidence to prove otherwise.

As for my saying that only 1/3rd of cans contain loot, that's an average estimation due to checking 15 cans and only 5 contained loot. That equals to 1/3rd.



What's silly is people saying they know for a fact that CCP hasn't reduced the amount of cans containing loot and rationalize it with the pretense of random distribution 'working as intended' when there's actually a noticeable decline.

Please inform us what you think a significant sample size is?

Nice of you to post all that other nonsense while sidestepping the most important question.



Obviously your answer shows you have no idea.

Dont listen to Tippia.
Radar sites are useless now, do not do them, just filter them out.
See it as positive thing, you gain a mid slot.

hf

RV out

Yes. Listen to this man…

No, it's not.

When I'm prowling for wormholes, I stop for any radar, ded 4/10s, and Watch sites I find. Since I started exploration a year ago, I can remember multi-day runs of bad luck where I found almost nothing, followed by multiple days making over 200 million isk an hour.

Run 10 Gurista Scout Outposts and you'll decide a "good" drop is worth about 50-70 million. Run 40 more and you'll probably score two C-Type medium shield boosters, each worth 400+ million.

Think of it as rolling dice: The odds of rolling any given pair is 1 in 36. If you roll the dice 100 times and never get a pair of 1s, do you call the dice broken? You need a sample size of 1000+ to effectively generate numbers that match the statistical predictions. It's the same with the coin-flipping analogy someone else used: you don't flip the coin twice and declare it broken. You flip it twenty times and see if the pattern is consistent.

First to op. No hisec radars have most certainly not been nerfed they might have actually been buffed a little bit.

Pseudorandom numbers are random. In my rather limited exploration history I've found entire 10 sites. 5 Last year, then account expired and 5 in last 10 days since I ressubed after Crucible. Though I've also done couple of static 1/10s but those are not exploration and generally dropped loot.

Last year I though a bad drop was a dead-space passive EM armor hardener or a small remote rep. Now, out of 5 DED sites I've done only a single one dropped any dead-space loot. A very discouraging streak of bad luck. But its just random. When there is couple of thousand (maybe couple dozen thousand) people doing exploration ; all hitting the same pseudoRNG (computers are deterministic, true RNG is impossible) generator day after day short or even ling-ish streaks of very good or very bad luck are to be expected.

If 10,000 sites are done each day by couple thousand players not a single one of them will have data to have a good picture of how exactly goes the loot distribution curve. Even if you ran exploration for a year or two you will still have access to several hundred, maybe a thousand datapoints. Considering wast number or loot options that might still be not enough to be able to tell anything about exact distribution curves.

Hell I'd be all for this. I would love to see a giant damn database recorded. Unfortunately this would require explorers to work together (hint: most enjoy solo play/working alone) and sharing data. It would also require an immense amount of trust.

The reason we flame people like the OP is because they have a tiny bad run and immediately decide the game is broken and its time to come to the forums to rage post about how CCP is unfair and exploration is no longer worth doing. The burden of proof in these discussions is on the OP in order to generate a valid discussion. As I said in another post, none of us want exploration to be broken, and thus if there is reasonable evidence of a problem, then we will address it with concern. Unfortunately, people like the OP never present this. They provide anecdotal observations because they are e-mad, thus the responses we see in this thread.

People white knighting them does not help.

Its really sad that doe to competition any effort to create a nice little loot DB, even if it was just "dropped deadspace/faction" "didn't drop" entry, would be futile. People are too afraid do reveal trade secrets and sufficient number of people would enter false data to make entire thing useless.

Though I think it hurts more when someone in a hurry for cash undercuts on contracts by 15% then just sharing your finding stats.

One thing that amazed me in WOW was that even rarest and most expensive stuff got hard numbers on drop chance just days after being added into game. Loot tables were fully compiles for nearly everything. Most MMOs have that.


EVE... Well two years ago just posting about DSP tricks on EVEO forums would have caused wars and IRL beatings. So maybe things are improving a little bit.