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So mining or Production

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#1 - 2016-01-03 18:45:54 UTC
I know in the end it's not an either-or choice, but I'll have to concentrate on one or the other for a while. Maxed out my trading skills and looking for a new secondary profession. Out in null there are ice fields mostly untouched, and then not a lot of production going on here ,so there looks be be opportunities all around.

I think no to mining but then these ice fields. Isn't ice supposed to be the best mining?

Production looks real good because it is relatively passive, of course all the production systems are in blind alley systems. Also, maybe production doesn't become profitable until t2? I'm off in null so a lot of market holes to plug, so maybe I could be profitable out here.

I'd be doing this as all one player, so if mining truly requires multi-players to be profitable then It's right out.

Thanks.

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Haffsol
#2 - 2016-01-03 19:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I'd be doing this as all one player, so if mining truly requires multi-players to be profitable then It's right out.

I'd stop you right there. What is that you wanna do as a solo player in null other than push F1 when requested?

Mining: needs at least 2 accounts but if you ask me 3 is the bare minimum. 2 miners, 1 of which (at least) can be hauler when needed and 1 booster. You also need a pos for that obviously since you don't boost on the undock since there is no undock and also you'll die horribly if you're not inside a pos shield. Ice? It's decent money, but huge volumes. You need a compression array in that mobile pos you're carring on your back. To refine wat you mined then you need a minmatar outpost or a refinery array but pay attention to volumes. Refining _compressed_ ore/ice make the voluem to increase and by a fair amount too. Mining ores in null is more profitable but you must have access to an upgraded system of course.

Production: you don't wanna sell things in null unless you have specific requests from corps or people because even if there are all those holes you don't want to wait months to sell your 100 sebos because the day after you put them on market some nice fella brought from jita 2000 of them for "the corp's sake". That being said: volumes! Industrial careers are based on hauling ass all day when necessary. Get ready with a JF and a couple of cynos at the very least.

As a solo player, you can run data and relic sites.
Diametrix
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#3 - 2016-01-03 20:05:33 UTC
OP, screw that guy above me. Don't min-max your way through this star cluster.

The best thing about your post is that it's packed full of hope and dreams and all that stuff we felt for eve when we started. If you're solo and trying to plug market holes in 0.0 while looking for a secondary income stream...You're Doing It Right!

Keep squeezing isk out of every niche you can find and don't lose your soul to those that would insist you can't
Haffsol
#4 - 2016-01-03 20:36:19 UTC
Diametrix wrote:
The best thing about your post is that it's packed full of hope and dreams and all that stuff we felt for eve when we started. If you're solo and trying to plug market holes in 0.0 while looking for a secondary income stream...You're Doing It Right!

Keep squeezing isk out of every niche you can find and don't lose your soul to those that would insist you can't

LMAO, are you for real? Lol
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#5 - 2016-01-03 21:28:10 UTC
Never mix processes of acquiring resources (Such as R&D, PI, mining) with Industry. Former is ISK earner, latter is ISK multiplier.

Obviously, with industry, if you don't have the money (And without a billion at least and 4 being somewhat basic amount) you might as well go home. Sure, you can try produce expanders with drones and sell it 3-10x the price in some sections of null and that will work, but the legwork to spread your "market" (So you could sell everything in sensible time) will be harsh and resulting profit will be bad too.

If you still want to think about production, think of your trading skills, understanding average eve player and his needs with your RL ability to advertise yourself. Because, to actually make things work, you'll need extensive use of awful (for them, not for you) buyback programs.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2016-01-04 03:58:37 UTC
Are you trading in your area of NPC null? If so, you probably are already developing ideas of what you could produce locally that would sell locally.

In null, you generally want to mine ore as it is more profitable. People mine ice in HS because it is semi-afk compared to tiny ore asteroids. Mine ice if you think you want to combine with PI and sell fuel blocks. Without friends to tell you when danger is approaching I'm not sure how long you will last before the interceptors are jumping you. You might be able to make friends and join somebody's Rorqual mining fleets if that happens in your area. Or get a Prospect and just mine the high value ores. If no one mines in your area there is probably a reason why.

Cerlestes Ore value charts

Tear Anasarsy
Reverse Engineering LTD
#7 - 2016-01-04 14:45:40 UTC
AMMO
Red Serenity
DuskRaiders
#8 - 2016-01-04 17:20:51 UTC
If you enjoy doing it, stick with it.

That being said don't expect to make increased amounts of isk for your time as you accumulate more isk. I found that once I broke 10b isk mining, R&D, missions, and scanning no longer made a difference in my earning potential. Industry worked well up to the 100b isk mark, but then you either have to start more characters/accounts due to manufacturing limits or look for something else.

Another option you can look into is procurement, I dont even do the hauling myself I use contracts, if you want to be in nul sec, join a corp that needs materials or supply logistics and funnel in those items needed.

Hope that gives you an alternative.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2016-01-04 20:53:53 UTC
Thanks all, this gives me a few things to think about I hadn't considered.

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