EVE General Discussion

And that is true to, and an excellent point to consider and factor in. But it doesn't address why we're not seeing any new IPs, and why so many PC games that the demographic you specified won't touch are taking the F2P route as well.

Then I'm thinking of something else and I'd have to go and look it up which I'm not doing right now cuz I feel like I'm gonna pass out in a minute. Tired as all hell, had a long day. I'll probably just come back tomorrow and see where this thread's gone. Based on my experience though, F2P may have had it's diamonds in the rough, but all in all, it's been little more that a scourge on gaming that I'd sooner see eradicated than indulge.

Zynga.
Farmville.

Iirc they were the first big one.

They should ban microtransactions.

One such decision, for example, is the introduction of sugar into foods one wouldn't normally expect to find, or even look for sugar, in order to create a sugar addiction and thus cause you to keep coming back for more. Almost the entire processed food industry does this. McDonalds even does it with its french fries using a starch/sugar chemical function.

Travian would arguably be earlier. It was also one of the first to really pull in serious cash from a browser game perspective.



Also yes you choose to buy products.. And companies choose to design those products to play on biology, psychology, and culture to make you buy the product more often. You dont think toothpaste comes in a shiny white box out of personal preference do you? No.. it simulates healthy teeth and thanks to the subconscious effects its been proven to to make you want to buy the product.

I'm now going to throw in the obligatory "EVE is already free to play" comment, before someone else does.

Also, I'll just leave this here.

And I'll just point out that while this has come up hundreds of times. Remiel gets the dubious distinction of being the first to rehash a stupid and overdone troll for the first time in 2016.

Gratz....first locked thread of the year.

Mr Epeen

I was more referring to the quality aspect. Companies use addictive methods and integration locks to heavily encourage(notice i didn't say force) the consumer to buy the newest product. The problem with this is over time once you've been "locked" into that culture or product series its very difficult for the average consumer to simply walk away due to feelings of "investment" in those products or services.

You can see the results of product investment in just about every industry. Take Old Navy. Their original products had nearly twice the thread count and were arguably of significantly higher quality. Now however they tailor to the quick in quick out fashion culture and, especially in womens case, the product line is only manufactured to last until the next fad fashion movement. This again isn't evil.. its smart marketing. It's just bad logic and bad for generally anything not related to making money.

Another example that might be more relatable to you is apple products in general. Their quality, and that of the industry in general, has declined over the decades. Ever use an Apple 2e? Stop to consider that they still function as designed to this day. Technical complexity aside this is the norm. It's not cost effective to make a product that is actually designed with the consumers best interest in mind. A companies goal is to sell a product, ensure a continual market, and delay innovation to maximize profit. Making a phone that can be useful for 10 years is a fast way to get murdered when the next guy releases a minor innovation that makes your product look inferior.. so we don't design around longevity. We design around product cycles and consumer buying habits.

Again none of this is "evil". It's the raw nature of free market capitalism. Normally a government ensures new startups can eventually challenge the monoliths of an industry. In most countries around the world however these startups can't directly compete thanks to general consumer lack of understanding in what denotes a good product. This means we slowly erode our basic right to "vote with our pocketbooks" entirely within our own minds and become "addicted" to a product line or service.

Disturbing thing is even though the system is broken right now it still provides a better quality of life to the people under it than any other system. It's one of the main reason capitalist countries typically have a higher quality of life. We know its broken.. but it still runs.. and much like your first college car its good enough for the average joe.

There are some F2P companies that don't scam their customers.

Dungeon Defender 2 and Path of Exile only offer cosmetic DLCs and there is no way you can buy advantages in game.

Both games are pretty fun and spent 50 hours on each.