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Can this laptop run EVE Online flawlesly?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-12-31 02:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Pix Severus wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
You're providing nothing helpful or even remotely useful to this discussion. Please go take your trolling somewhere else where someone might be impressed by your running of two screens and two clients.


The rest of us are having a perfectly valid conversation about the differences between laptops and desktops, based on the OP's original post. What's the problem?

Also running 2 screens is impressive these days, in a world where seemingly everyone else is using tablets and craptops.


I will say something in regards to this as well.

A 'gaming laptop' is good for one thing: if you need to travel. That's it. If you don't need to travel, it's just a glorified console. You can build a PC that will run EVE at highest settings for a lot cheaper than a decent 'gaming laptop'. I build mine for $854, and EVE isn't the only thing that it'll run at full settings.

NB: prices in that image are in Australian dollars, not American. At current flat exchange rates, that comes to 623.38, but flat exchange rates don't account for different taxes, duties, and salaries. In Australia, this is a very cheap build for what it is.

What you see in that image, by the way, is just the initial build. Even with that, it was running EVE at full. Since then, it's been upgraded a bit, but not much. It does everything I need it to as is with no problems. Which is the other disadvantage of the vast majority of laptops, and why I call them glorified consoles - they cannot be upgraded and tailored to your needs as much as a PC you build yourself can. Even if you hire some labour to build it for you (most places you can buy parts from will charge a bit extra to do this), it's still cheaper than a laptop because in order to upgrade, you have to buy a whole new one, instead of just one or two components.

EDIT: I will add also that my build as linked ran EVE great at full settings with multi-monitor as well. You can see I splashed out on the graphics card, and to be honest, if it's not the most expensive thing on the list of components for your build too, you're probably doing something wrong.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Pix Severus
Empty You
#22 - 2015-12-31 02:55:00 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
He's not trying to play Crysis 3, for ****'s sake...


I know, but if he wants to run EVE flawlessly, he's going to need a desktop, that's all I'm saying.

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-12-31 03:39:25 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
He's not trying to play Crysis 3, for ****'s sake...


I know, but if he wants to run EVE flawlessly, he's going to need a desktop, that's all I'm saying.

Frankly even a desktop won't run eve flawlessly as it's not an achievable concept with current tech.



Remiel Pollard : You paid way too much for that setup if you live in the USA.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-31 03:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
He's not trying to play Crysis 3, for ****'s sake...


I know, but if he wants to run EVE flawlessly, he's going to need a desktop, that's all I'm saying.

Frankly even a desktop won't run eve flawlessly as it's not an achievable concept with current tech.



Remiel Pollard : You paid way too much for that setup if you live in the USA.


Good thing I live in Australia then, where cost of living is balanced by much higher salaries and wages than in the USA ^_^

I have edited the post to clarify though.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-12-31 03:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
He's not trying to play Crysis 3, for ****'s sake...


I know, but if he wants to run EVE flawlessly, he's going to need a desktop, that's all I'm saying.

Frankly even a desktop won't run eve flawlessly as it's not an achievable concept with current tech.



Remiel Pollard : You paid way too much for that setup if you live in the USA.


Good thing I live in Australia then, where cost of living is balanced by much higher salaries and wages than in the USA ^_^

I have edited the post to clarify though.

Thanks for clarifying your post.

I run up to 16 clients on 3 different screens so my usage of system resources differs from the average player. I have no real reason to run all those clients at high so I hit my CPU and RAM harder than the GPUs.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-12-31 04:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
He's not trying to play Crysis 3, for ****'s sake...


I know, but if he wants to run EVE flawlessly, he's going to need a desktop, that's all I'm saying.

Frankly even a desktop won't run eve flawlessly as it's not an achievable concept with current tech.



Remiel Pollard : You paid way too much for that setup if you live in the USA.


Good thing I live in Australia then, where cost of living is balanced by much higher salaries and wages than in the USA ^_^

I have edited the post to clarify though.

Thanks for clarifying your post.

I run up to 16 clients on 3 different screens so my usage of system resources differs from the average player. I have no real reason to run all those clients at high so I hit my CPU and RAM harder than the GPUs.


Again, build it to tailor to your needs. I was speaking generally when referring to the cost of the GPU vs CPU so I could have clarified that better as well, but building a PC is the only way to really cater to your specific needs. Me, I only run one client, and that's all I've ever needed, and all I'll ever need. Don't see a point to more than one, even for PVP, and I've done just fine with only one. That being said, if you want more than one, you'll have to make sure your hardware can do that, and my primary point remains: a laptop doesn't give you the flexibility you might need for that, nor does it give you the same efficient cost/performance ratio that you can get by tailoring a PC to your specific needs.

And my brother just reminded me of an important point: more power =/= better. Usually, you'll just wind up with a lot of excess power you're not using. And electricity bills are a thing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2015-12-31 05:44:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Usually, you'll just wind up with a lot of excess power you're not using. And electricity bills are a thing.
If you're talking about PSUs, you only use as much power as you draw. I mean, if you have a 1200w PSU in a system that only requires 500w, you'll only draw 500w.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-12-31 07:37:03 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Usually, you'll just wind up with a lot of excess power you're not using. And electricity bills are a thing.
If you're talking about PSUs, you only use as much power as you draw. I mean, if you have a 1200w PSU in a system that only requires 500w, you'll only draw 500w.


The newer ones do. Some of the older and cheaper ones don't. In any case, not just the PCU. It's a warning about unneeded excess and frills.

I've been trying to find this. It's an old story about the tech he's using, but the moral remains the same: excess can have repercussions. Build what you need, especially if you don't understand exactly what's going on. It was my brother's advice to me when I built my first PC with my own bare hands, and it's advice I'll pass on to anyone else. All too often do I see 'veterans' telling the rookies in EVE that 'here's a cheap fit' offering them something that they forget a rookie won't be able to afford. It's cheap to them, not to the rookie. It's the same with building a PC, lots of people with excessively-powerful machines they understand expecting first-timers to understand as well. When it's just not necessary.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-12-31 08:10:25 UTC
A GTX900+ M will run Eve (and Crysis 3) just fine. Yes, I'm aware that this is gaming laptop GPU. Eve Online, which is never that much of a graphically intensive game, will average 60 FPS with everything on high, for as long as you aren't getting into a one thousand ships fleet fight.

Solo roams and small gangs? No problem. If anything bigger than that just tune down the settings and everything will be okay.

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Solecist Project
#30 - 2015-12-31 08:58:45 UTC
I have a gtx765m in my notebook, accompanied by an i7.
1920x1080, highest settings, flawless.

Desktops... meh.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-12-31 10:57:52 UTC
It will most likely not play at highest settings, but should do okey at lowest / medium. (20-30 fps perhaps)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-12-31 11:42:20 UTC
hello my laptop has a Geforce GT 650M, 8GB RAM and i7 2.4 Ghz processor

it's a couple of years old

it runs eve fine on high
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#33 - 2015-12-31 13:29:44 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Good thing I live in Australia then, where cost of living is balanced by much higher salaries and wages than in the USA ^_^




That, though, is balanced in turn by the distinct disadvantage of having to live in Australia SadBig smile


OP, I'm just going to go ahead and say loosen your purse strings, and get a Razer Blade. Yes, I know what your general budget is, but get a second mortgage if necessary. You'll thank me later! Big smile

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#34 - 2015-12-31 13:42:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
You're providing nothing helpful or even remotely useful to this discussion. Please go take your trolling somewhere else where someone might be impressed by your running of two screens and two clients.


The rest of us are having a perfectly valid conversation about the differences between laptops and desktops, based on the OP's original post. What's the problem?

Also running 2 screens is impressive these days, in a world where seemingly everyone else is using tablets and craptops.


I will say something in regards to this as well.

A 'gaming laptop' is good for one thing: if you need to travel. That's it. If you don't need to travel, it's just a glorified console. You can build a PC that will run EVE at highest settings for a lot cheaper than a decent 'gaming laptop'. I build mine for $854, and EVE isn't the only thing that it'll run at full settings.

NB: prices in that image are in Australian dollars, not American. At current flat exchange rates, that comes to 623.38, but flat exchange rates don't account for different taxes, duties, and salaries. In Australia, this is a very cheap build for what it is.

What you see in that image, by the way, is just the initial build. Even with that, it was running EVE at full. Since then, it's been upgraded a bit, but not much. It does everything I need it to as is with no problems. Which is the other disadvantage of the vast majority of laptops, and why I call them glorified consoles - they cannot be upgraded and tailored to your needs as much as a PC you build yourself can. Even if you hire some labour to build it for you (most places you can buy parts from will charge a bit extra to do this), it's still cheaper than a laptop because in order to upgrade, you have to buy a whole new one, instead of just one or two components.

EDIT: I will add also that my build as linked ran EVE great at full settings with multi-monitor as well. You can see I splashed out on the graphics card, and to be honest, if it's not the most expensive thing on the list of components for your build too, you're probably doing something wrong.


I own laptop w mid range GTX 870m that is on par with your desktop GPU while being able to have gaming experience wherever i turn up to be.

Current glorified console with mid range GTX 970m will delete your desktop any day all day long without any bias i am saying if i had option to choose single item your desktop or mine gtx870m console i would pick laptop due to similar performance while being mobile.

If we are talking gaming laptops those can be upgraded with ram,hard disks,solid state drives CPUs as well as GPUs market is puny due to ppl buying garbage that is mass produced but it is there.

One can start with ease and all components are there to be swapped difference between 870m and 970m or 980m are well...nothing slot it in PCIe close it play it.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-12-31 14:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
You're providing nothing helpful or even remotely useful to this discussion. Please go take your trolling somewhere else where someone might be impressed by your running of two screens and two clients.


The rest of us are having a perfectly valid conversation about the differences between laptops and desktops, based on the OP's original post. What's the problem?

Also running 2 screens is impressive these days, in a world where seemingly everyone else is using tablets and craptops.


I will say something in regards to this as well.

A 'gaming laptop' is good for one thing: if you need to travel. That's it. If you don't need to travel, it's just a glorified console. You can build a PC that will run EVE at highest settings for a lot cheaper than a decent 'gaming laptop'. I build mine for $854, and EVE isn't the only thing that it'll run at full settings.

NB: prices in that image are in Australian dollars, not American. At current flat exchange rates, that comes to 623.38, but flat exchange rates don't account for different taxes, duties, and salaries. In Australia, this is a very cheap build for what it is.

What you see in that image, by the way, is just the initial build. Even with that, it was running EVE at full. Since then, it's been upgraded a bit, but not much. It does everything I need it to as is with no problems. Which is the other disadvantage of the vast majority of laptops, and why I call them glorified consoles - they cannot be upgraded and tailored to your needs as much as a PC you build yourself can. Even if you hire some labour to build it for you (most places you can buy parts from will charge a bit extra to do this), it's still cheaper than a laptop because in order to upgrade, you have to buy a whole new one, instead of just one or two components.

EDIT: I will add also that my build as linked ran EVE great at full settings with multi-monitor as well. You can see I splashed out on the graphics card, and to be honest, if it's not the most expensive thing on the list of components for your build too, you're probably doing something wrong.


I own laptop w mid range GTX 870m that is on par with your desktop GPU while being able to have gaming experience wherever i turn up to be.

Current glorified console with mid range GTX 970m will delete your desktop any day all day long without any bias i am saying if i had option to choose single item your desktop or mine gtx870m console i would pick laptop due to similar performance while being mobile.

If we are talking gaming laptops those can be upgraded with ram,hard disks,solid state drives CPUs as well as GPUs market is puny due to ppl buying garbage that is mass produced but it is there.

One can start with ease and all components are there to be swapped difference between 870m and 970m or 980m are well...nothing slot it in PCIe close it play it.


That's all well and good, but at any point that I want to upgrade my GPU, I can do so without having to get a whole new PC. I would be interested in what you actually paid for that performance, and what it will cost to make it better. And then, of course, laptops being laptops, you'll simply never have the same ventilation a PC has, even with watercooling (which I can do too, much more easily with a nice large case). What I posted is my tailored self-built PC. It is tailored for specific needs and interests, and can be upgraded as those needs and interests evolve with a wide range of compatible options. And you know what? I didn't have to take out a loan or chop off an arm to buy it.

If it's a pissing contest you want, I suggest you try a bar, but this isn't about superiority, this isn't about competing with fellow gamers - you leave that for the game itself. This is about practicality. And the best OBJECTIVE advice you can give is, laptops are for travelling, build your own PC for home (or at least pick a part set tailor made for what you need/want and pay someone to build it for you, but I guarantee the building it yourself experience is one worth having, at least once) and only pay for what you need, a specific build that suits your actually needs that can be adjusted later if needed.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jacen Visari
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-12-31 14:49:32 UTC
Build a gaming PC. Until then just run it on medium/low. Do not simply buy a more expensive laptop because you'll just need to upgrade again soon enough anyway. With a PC you can upgrade individual parts whenever the need arises.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-12-31 14:55:36 UTC
In my kitchen when my kids need direct supervision I use our family laptop to play eve. i5 with HD4000 and I get a solid 60fps on relatively modest settings even in fleet or missions.

Don't listen to people who say that you need a gaming PC, and don't listen to people who say that you can do it on a Tandy or Commodore64.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-12-31 14:59:05 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
I only pointed out that you to have glorified console as well only difference is your is restrained to your mom basement while laptops aren't.

Gaming laptops are good for mobility and gaming i want both while not chopin' arms..... on other hand(lol) (in my specific case ofc) buying 3 generation behind desktop would be considered waste of money regardless of cost.



This was unnecessarily childish and offensive. If you're going to get salty like this, then again, you want to find a public bar and pick a fight there. You want to argue the merits of building your own PC? Then argue with merits. So far, you've demonstrated none, not even a basic understanding of why I call laptops glorified consoles to begin with.

That being said, reading material for people that don't think they already know everything, are willing to learn something new, and don't have massive quantities of salt perpetually flowing through their veins.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Pix Severus
Empty You
#39 - 2015-12-31 15:03:24 UTC
Buyer's remorse makes people say the most terrible things.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-12-31 15:05:30 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Buyer's remorse makes people say the most terrible things.


Studies show, buyer's remorse is the cause of at least 100% of console fanboyism.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104