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Risk Vs. Reward

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#21 - 2015-12-31 05:17:28 UTC
OP before I get into my responses I want to caution you.
In the future remove any real names before posting, like your name at the end of the original email sent to CCP.
No there is nothing in the rules that say you should, it is simply a reasonable practice to follow on a forum like this.

The others have covered the nature of things posted by James 315. Suffice it to say they are the ideas, theories and beliefs of the person behind the character and not specifically the truth, although some of then may in fact be truth.
Cora en Daire
Woopatang
Primary.
#22 - 2015-12-31 09:49:46 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
You claim to be a new player but you are rabbling about that garbage that James 315 and his lunatically followers let out on the forum almost every single day somewhere on the forum.

Half of what you wrote is redundant, the other half is beyond your understanding of game mechanics so far. Lowsec and nullsec does NOT need a buff to their minerals. We don't need those thousands of occupied systems to become even more self-sustainable than they already are.


What I wrote was just an Idea. I am a new player and I do not understand everything in eve "Yet". However I am fully capable of "fully" understanding anything I put my mind to you self-righteous **** . The funny thing is that for not liking the player who wrote the blog I posted you most resemble what everyone has been calling him, a self-righteous gas bag.

P.S. Have a great day and *** you Big smile
Cora en Daire
Woopatang
Primary.
#23 - 2015-12-31 10:30:12 UTC
Dear Eve Online,


Have you ever posted something that later you were like, man that was so not worth it. I think I just did and for that I am sorry. I just feel that AFK playing in any game and in any form is destructive to any game it is in. Its like trying to make a video game in Java only to find out later that you forgot to add user interaction. Congratulations you just made a video instead of a video game.



"It's time to make the Chimichangas"

-Deadpool
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#24 - 2015-12-31 11:45:52 UTC
Mining is in a good spot as far as mineral values at the moment. No adjustments needed.

Getting ganked in HS sux and there isn't much you can do about it. It's part of the game and once your number is up - poof.

If you want to learn a few easy ways to minimize your ganking exposure - mail me in game.

If you want to mine in wh space (it's CODE free) - mail me in game. There is more risk, but you can mine any ore you like at just about any time. I do purchase ore in the wh, so you can sell it to corp for Jita -10% or haul it and whatnot as you please. We give you the options - you make your decisions from there. If you're interested in being space rich and having fun - live a little - drop me a line. Our only real requirement is that you get on teamspeak when your are active in the wh.
Solecist Project
#25 - 2015-12-31 12:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
I really wonder why people constantly lie about being new players...
... when they completely suck at pretending to be one.

Like the OP.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#26 - 2015-12-31 12:37:54 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
I really wonder why people constantly lie about being new players...
... when they completely suck at pretending to be one.

Like the OP.



The whole CODE thing is pretty played out. Even the crime and punishment trolls have turned a blind eye to their posts. They've beat the drum so many times no one notices or cares anymore. The act of ganking a miner is ultimately an easy, boring and repetative task. It's not something that can keep those initially drawn to that play style entertained forever. Forum hoo haw helps to retain interest, but it's getting played out on the forums too. If you can come up with a way to change an easy, boring and repetative task into something fun and interesting over the long haul - I suggest you contact CODE - I'm sure they'd be willing to pay through the nose for it.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#27 - 2015-12-31 15:18:21 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
I really wonder why people constantly lie about being new players...
... when they completely suck at pretending to be one.

Like the OP.

Not going to argue the reality just curious why you think the OP is not a new player?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2015-12-31 17:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Cora en Daire wrote:
Dear Eve Online,


Have you ever posted something that later you were like, man that was so not worth it. I think I just did and for that I am sorry. I just feel that AFK playing in any game and in any form is destructive to any game it is in. Its like trying to make a video game in Java only to find out later that you forgot to add user interaction. Congratulations you just made a video instead of a video game.



"It's time to make the Chimichangas"

-Deadpool


Why? AFK players put very little load on the servers. Sometimes you have to go AFK quickly, so you spam warp/dock then leave the PC. What is the big deal.

As for mining...well it is boring. And yet, many people are often at the PC. They maybe keeping an eye on their miner while chatting on TS, doing something on another account, working from home (I'm guilty of this one), etc. It is a form of game play that really, requires very little from the player. And I think many people mining like it that way, to be quite honest.

At the same time I am fine with ganking miners. Heck I've even tried my hand at it solo. Against a well fit mackinaw it is quite a challenge. A retriever is fairly easy unless the person is paying attention.

Here is how I see it. We are playing a sandbox game. So if some people want to go for activities that are conducive to semi-AFK play....fine. It does come with consequences though. You could get ganked.

If you want to gank miners. That's fine too. It comes with consequences though. You'll lose security status (most are probably "meh" on this one) and lots of players will not like/trust you.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, as the man said (we'll skip the love part crap because this is Eve after all).

Now what I find rather hilarious is that James 315 and a number of those following him are, when you get right down to it, are nothing more than roleplayers. Which, IMO, are seen as even lower than miners and industrial types in the game. How's that for irony?

Oh and as a side note, The Mittani wrote a Ten Ton Hammer article about how he would go about making ISK in game if he were not high up in a leadership position. One of the methods...wait for it...wait....just a bit longer....semi-AFK ice mining. Oh, and he described semi-AFK ratting in HS with domis back when mission rat aggro did not switch to drones.

Quote:
*Ice Mining: Mining is a huge portion of PvE in EVE, yet the typical path most miners follow involves getting a Hulk and sucking on the highest-isk rock they can find. Every three minutes, for each account they have active, a Hulk pilot focused on isk/hour will be moving ore from his hold to his jetcan. For the unlucky souls not using strip miners, the cycle of moving ore can be once a minute, depending on how big your hold is. In theory, you're making decent isk/hour - but in terms of effort, your time, attention and effort are focused almost entirely on picking up rocks in space, especially as the number of accounts mining increases. Meanwhile, your asteroids are gradually vanishing, meaning that you must constantly re-target new rocks. This means that when you strip a belt out, you have to set up your operation elsewhere, creating new bookmarks for your hauler - more time and effort.

The pro move from an effort perspective is ice mining. With a base cycle time of ten minutes, you can target an ice crystal and go do something else. Better still, ice crystals never move location and never run out of ice. This means that you can set up your bookmarks and use them until the servers shut down, and you never have to re-target anything. You make less isk/hour than the Hulk guy furiously strip mining, but he's actually doing work.--The Mittani


In other words, if you can find ways to make ISK with minimal effort...do it. The MIttani, a bot aspirant. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2015-12-31 17:34:16 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Mining is in a good spot as far as mineral values at the moment. No adjustments needed.

Getting ganked in HS sux and there isn't much you can do about it. It's part of the game and once your number is up - poof.


Yup. When I first started you'd be lucky to get 3 ISK/unit of tritanium. Mainly due to drone poo out in the drone regions. You new players probably do not know this, but rogue drones used to drop alloys that when refined produced a wide array of minerals, even some minerals found in LS and NS even in HS. Not much, but some. Out in the Drone Regions they dropped lots of alloys and so you could turn a very nice profit moving it back to HS. Also "mining with guns" was a Thing™. That is where a mission runner who looted could make pretty decent ISK by refining the loot and it produced alot more minerals than today. Both of these things were changed. Rogue drones got bounties and drone poo was removed and refining mission loot was nerfed rather hard. As a result ore and mineral prices went up.

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If you want to learn a few easy ways to minimize your ganking exposure - mail me in game.


Use a procurer/skiff, but as big a tank on it as you can, and consider orbiting the rock you are mining. A moving target is harder to hit than a stationary one. You could also consider pre-spawning CONCORD by going out in a noob ship and engaging in a criminal activity. CONCORD will show up and burn your ship down. Then they'll hang around for awhile. Once your timer is up, come back in your mining ship and have at it. CONCORD response times drop if they are already on grid with you, this is why CODE. and other ganking groups will "pull CONCORD". It is the same principal, but it moves existing CONCORD ships in a given system to another grid in system.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Voxinian
#30 - 2015-12-31 19:15:04 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:


That and/or increase insurance payouts (especially on t2 ships).


This. You should be able to insure a ship for the average market price.
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