These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page12
 

PVE/PVP Ship progression advice for a newbie
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-12-30 00:38:12 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Molotov Uroboros wrote:
I want to do mostly small gang pvp in wh/nullsec.


This doesn't exist........

The only 'small' ships you MAY even use in Null or WH's are bombers and interdictors. If you want to focus on diverse small ship combat, check out the FW zones of lowsec, small ships shine there!



Lolwut?

I don't know what your neighborhood is like, but I see lots of small gang action in null. Not all of them involve bombers or interdictors either. Lots of 2-4 ship gangs. Null is a big place, please don't make blanket statements on null based solely on your local segment. Some areas of null are crowded, others you can fly for hours without seeing anyone. Some are farmed out, others are so neglected the scan ring is almost solid green.


This.

There are plenty of small gang opportunities in nullsec.
I know a friend of mine, living in null-sec somewhere south, did do a lot of those in the past.

Sure, it's the big Ti-Di blob-fests that make the news and get everybody talking about null, but that is not all the combat there is. However, do keep in mind, this is EVE. So you might be a small gang, that doesn't mean that your enemy will bring even numbers to the fight.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#22 - 2015-12-30 05:20:44 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Molotov Uroboros wrote:
I want to do mostly small gang pvp in wh/nullsec.


This doesn't exist........

The only 'small' ships you MAY even use in Null or WH's are bombers and interdictors. If you want to focus on diverse small ship combat, check out the FW zones of lowsec, small ships shine there!



Lolwut?

I don't know what your neighborhood is like, but I see lots of small gang action in null. Not all of them involve bombers or interdictors either. Lots of 2-4 ship gangs. Null is a big place, please don't make blanket statements on null based solely on your local segment. Some areas of null are crowded, others you can fly for hours without seeing anyone. Some are farmed out, others are so neglected the scan ring is almost solid green.


This.

There are plenty of small gang opportunities in nullsec.
I know a friend of mine, living in null-sec somewhere south, did do a lot of those in the past.

Sure, it's the big Ti-Di blob-fests that make the news and get everybody talking about null, but that is not all the combat there is. However, do keep in mind, this is EVE. So you might be a small gang, that doesn't mean that your enemy will bring even numbers to the fight.


Maybe I'm wrong...
I know there was lots of small gangs in NPC null, but I have lived in multiple regions of sov and most of the PvP is large alliance blobs there. If you want smaller PvP and in Null, try Syndicate.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-12-30 06:14:09 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong...
I know there was lots of small gangs in NPC null, but I have lived in multiple regions of sov and most of the PvP is large alliance blobs there. If you want smaller PvP and in Null, try Syndicate.

I find it odd that you equate "small gang" with "small ships". They're really completely separate...Small gang refers to numbers, not ship size.

And WH space is almost all small gang. It's self-limited in gang size because of wormhole mass. You can't get much more than a "medium-sized" fleet without some serious coordinated effort.

Sov null though...yup.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament
Molotov Uroboros
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-12-30 18:16:47 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
I find it odd that you equate "small gang" with "small ships". They're really completely separate...Small gang refers to numbers, not ship size.


That is actually a good point that I have missed previously. I was referring to small gang pvp where there is room for small ships.

After reading every reply, here are my thoughts:

- I'm starting to let go of my thoughts on small ships for pve. I'm going to follow the traditional frig->cruiser->bc->bs route while running missions. I'm currently training for caldari bs to do lvl 4s but I will experiment with other races. Specially drone boats caught my attention.

-Instead of whining about how slow my ship is or how long it takes to kill things, I decided to focus on skills to improve those aspects and play around with fitting(ex. fit more gank to my drake as Chainsaw Plankton mentioned.). I've also noticed that playing around with ship fitting and experimenting with the effects by myself is actually kind of fun. I'm still looking forward to getting in to t2-t3 ships like cerberus and tengu if I don't change my mind and leave missile/shield ships in the long run.

- I'm not going to try to maximize my skills to do anything (like exploring, pvp etc.). I'm currently running missions and learning the basics of exploration. I will go deeper in to exploration as soon as I have more time and isk to spare(I'm playing very casually atm).

- Since I have zero experience in pvp, I think we will all agree on starting out with frigates. I like the idea of taking certain roles like ECM, neut or tackle as J'Poll has mentioned. Faction warfare sounds like a good start too.

Well thats about it I guess.

I appreciate all of the helpful veterans browsing new citizen forums and giving wisdom to us noobs Smile
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2015-12-30 18:26:58 UTC
Molotov Uroboros wrote:


I appreciate all of the helpful veterans browsing new citizen forums and giving wisdom to us noobs Smile


*Newbro or Newbie .
Both imply being inexperienced rather than thick .

Noob is an insult and not particularly appropriate given that we are all terrible at eve , just some of us less so than others Blink

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-12-31 16:14:45 UTC
Molotov Uroboros wrote:
I've also noticed that playing around with ship fitting and experimenting with the effects by myself is actually kind of fun.

IMHO this is the best way to learn the game. Playing around with various ships and fits to see how it changes things. Not necessarily looking for the "best fit" and sticking with it once you have it but playing around with different fits so that you can learn that ship inside and out.

There are multiple examples of people trying out some non-standard fit that no one else thought of and then breaking the meta to the point where the Devs have to bring out the nerf bat.

Molotov Uroboros wrote:

I will go deeper in to exploration as soon as I have more time and isk to spare(I'm playing very casually atm).

exploration does not take much isk to get started at. It is one of the professions that we tell new players in this section of the forums that you can make decent isk early on as the isk investment and skill point requirements are very low as compared to other isk earning styles.

I am not telling you not to wait. Play your game your way. I'm just saying you don't need much to get started exploring.

Anyway it sounds like you are off to a good start. Have fun and welcome to Eve.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#27 - 2016-01-01 01:56:13 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong...
I know there was lots of small gangs in NPC null, but I have lived in multiple regions of sov and most of the PvP is large alliance blobs there. If you want smaller PvP and in Null, try Syndicate.

I find it odd that you equate "small gang" with "small ships". They're really completely separate...Small gang refers to numbers, not ship size.

And WH space is almost all small gang. It's self-limited in gang size because of wormhole mass. You can't get much more than a "medium-sized" fleet without some serious coordinated effort.

Sov null though...yup.



Small gangs do favor smaller ships, as a 10 person battleship gang can't escape the fights they can't win (e.g. if they encountered four carriers with 15 subcap support), whereas a 10 person tactical destroyer fleet usually can get most or all of the fleet away.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#28 - 2016-01-01 03:50:46 UTC
Of course in highsec small gang in pirate faction battleships is the norm.
Previous page12