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So how are blaster/rail BSes for lvl4s now?
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JonnyRandom
#1 - 2011-12-14 00:39:13 UTC
Since the boost to hybrids, has anyone tried out blaster/rail boats for lvl4s? And how do they compare to projectile/laser boats?
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#2 - 2011-12-14 00:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
I didn't feel a big improvement in my Kronos, L4 times where not so much different(max -2 minutes in a buzz kill by saving vollys on the elite cruisers and BS and quicker antimatter/thorium switches/reloads). It is still lacking a bit behind other options, be it by selectable damage types and much higher tracking(what leads to better applied DPS) with acs sub 30km or much higher baseline DPS with similar tracking(after the tracking bonus of the Kronos) compared to tachs.

I didn't use blaster for pve since years(and then it came mostly down to ratting belts while you where looking for targets).

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Goose99
#3 - 2011-12-14 01:01:20 UTC
That is what 10% more dps feels like.Lol
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#4 - 2011-12-14 03:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Julia Connor
I didn't see any range buff for blasters in the patch notes so if that's what you are looking for then no. Rails on the other hand should perform much better without a doubt.
Jahpahjay
Mechanical Basterds
#5 - 2011-12-14 05:05:36 UTC
As far as hybrid boats go, I recently found a kronos fitted with a mwd, blasters, and a web is really fun. It doesn't have the range projection a vargur has, nor the selectable dmg types, but it does quite well in spite of that. Having a +1000m/s top speed doesn't exactly hurt the mission times either...

Something else quite useful I think I should share: Even with just one web, I'm usually able to one-shot spider drones. And if you have the mission Buzz Kill, all the rats come to you, so you don't need the mwd in that mission. That means you can switch it out for an extra tracking computer or 2 (bring both script types).

Also given the fact that it has a tracking bonus and a really nice web bonus, you don't need to waste any low slots on TEs, which translates to stronger tank and/or more dps.

Anyways, not the most flexible ship (if you need range), nor is it ideal for every mission, but quite effective and fun for what it's designed to do (and yes, I believe it's designed to fit a mwd and blasters).
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#6 - 2011-12-14 05:59:03 UTC
It's BSs not BSes. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't communicate clearly..

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I544CJON35 Aldent
Incursion Omega
Cosmos Origins
#7 - 2011-12-14 06:19:34 UTC
No "huge" changes. It's nice having some more dps.
Kimmiy Kimasre
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-14 07:06:39 UTC
Um... I thought they did not buff Large Hybrid guns because their performance was already acceptable. Only small and medium hybrids were buffed as of the last time I read the patch info (a few days before launch).
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-14 07:13:31 UTC
Kimmiy Kimasre wrote:
Um... I thought they did not buff Large Hybrid guns because their performance was already acceptable. Only small and medium hybrids were buffed as of the last time I read the patch info (a few days before launch).


The only hybrids that were not buffed were capital ship sized guns, (ie. for dreadnaughts and titans)
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#10 - 2011-12-14 08:18:58 UTC
In regards to the OP; You can now decently fit 425s on a Kronos, they do a bit more damage will sucking a tad less cap and having a smidge more tracking. It's not ground breaking in any sort of way (or un nerfed, they're still not on par, not even close) but at least you don't feel like an idiot flying a rail PVE ship as it's fairly decent.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2011-12-14 11:50:32 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It's BSs not BSes. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't communicate clearly..



"Without grammar there can be no accuracy. Without vocabulary there can be no communication." (The EFL teacher has spoken!)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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SpaceSquirrels
#12 - 2011-12-14 14:35:31 UTC
Still hard to get any sort of cap over a minute with a MWD which is needed on blaster boats. Even with boosters the longer missions or ones with huge gaps between mobs is a PITA. Rails I have yet to try, but me thinks would be better overall just due to not needing a MWD.
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#13 - 2011-12-14 14:37:03 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Still hard to get any sort of cap over a minute with a MWD which is needed on blaster boats. Even with boosters the longer missions or ones with huge gaps between mobs is a PITA. Rails I have yet to try, but me thinks would be better overall just due to not needing a MWD.


If you do lvl 4s for income you don't fit blasters.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2011-12-14 15:00:47 UTC
Vachir Khan wrote:
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Still hard to get any sort of cap over a minute with a MWD which is needed on blaster boats. Even with boosters the longer missions or ones with huge gaps between mobs is a PITA. Rails I have yet to try, but me thinks would be better overall just due to not needing a MWD.


If you do lvl 4s for income you don't fit blasters.



If you do lvl 4s for income, you're doing it wrong

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vorneus
Hub2
#15 - 2011-12-14 19:57:55 UTC
Can't speak for the Kronos, as I've never (nor ever will) fly one, but rails in general are much better.

Medium rails still pretty much blow, but that's as much because there just isn't a decent platform to use them on. Large rails however I'm finding very nice indeed since the patch - I can fit 5 x 425mm rails comfortably on my shield buffer Domi with lows full of magstabs and TE's.

Rails (combined with sentries in this case) are nice for missions because of the relatively low alpha and high ROF, meaning less damage wasted on overkill. The T2 ammo changes for Javelin are also pleasing for those closer (and smaller) targets, and only having 5sec reload time means it's more of a no-brainer to switch as you lose less DPS.

So yeah. Go go gadget 1000dps Dominix. Blitzes missions in no time :)

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#16 - 2011-12-15 14:39:28 UTC
Macha and Vargur still beat the vindi and kronos at serp missions : /

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Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#17 - 2011-12-15 15:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vachir Khan
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Macha and Vargur still beat the vindi and kronos at serp missions : /


http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/790/vargkron.jpg

Proper Vargur against a proper Kronos (green), neither is using drones. Target is a non AB Kronos, similar graphs happen with a BC as target as well. Not saying kronos is really crap but it's certainly not on par.
Nyro Akirason
Akirason Industry Corporation
#18 - 2011-12-15 17:23:21 UTC
I am flying a Rohk for the first time in years since the buffs were installed. The damage output of the 425mm Prototypes is acceptable. Keep in mind, I am in the process of training for T2 425's which will push my current 609 DPS to well over 700 DPS. MIght be somewhat sub-standard compared to other battleships, but I don not mind.
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#19 - 2011-12-15 17:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Julia Connor
Rails are now on 1400mm and mega beam dps levels with the new buffs but tachys Shocked [self induced energy destabilizer with insane dps]Roll
Munio J Makeanen
United Starbase Systems
#20 - 2011-12-15 17:56:30 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
It's BSs not BSes. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't communicate clearly..



"Without grammar there can be no accuracy. Without vocabulary there can be no communication." (The EFL teacher has spoken!)



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