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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#21 - 2015-12-25 15:58:26 UTC
EVE players are so desperate for cheap kills that they even camp the forums for easy ganks on noobies. Kind of pathetic when you think about it.

Merry Christmas

Mr Epeen Cool
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-12-25 15:58:52 UTC
Kia Son wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

You're talking to people, right now, that have been new and did just fine when the new player experience was a LOT HARDER than it is now. You complain about having to ask in rookie help for help, but the thing is, that's EXACTLY what you need to be doing. Learn from those with the experience, who have been there and done that, don't demand changes to a game you barely even understand enough to know what it really needs.


it isn't rookie help it's self... it is these missions* are to help new players to learn the game... you shouldn't need help with them.



The point is to get you interacting with people. You are not going to do well if you plan to play this game all on your own against hundreds of thousands of other players. Cuz like it or not, everything you do you do in competition with them. This is a PVP game. There is no instancing, and no safe spaces beside your rookie system, which you'll have to leave if you plan on achieving anything.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-12-25 16:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mr Epeen wrote:
EVE players are so desperate for cheap kills that they even camp the forums for easy ganks on noobies. Kind of pathetic when you think about it.

Merry Christmas

Mr Epeen Cool


Such a well articulated and constructive offering to provide there... oh wait, no it wasn't. Just more meaningless dribble. A napkin can help with that.

Seriously though, I don't see you providing the new person with anything to actually help. So... your reason for posting here was? And no, white knighting for new people =/= helping new people.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-25 16:15:52 UTC
Couple of other things, OP.

When you buy plex, it goes into the redeeming system. It stays there until you redeem it. What you're meant to do is be in the station you want to sell it when you redeem it. If you're undocking with plex in your cargo, that is your own fault and the same rules apply to everyone, regardless of what you've chosen to spend and chosen to do with what you've bought. There is no reason, though, to undock with plex. Unless you're me and are planning to get ganked with ten of them in the cargo of a Mastadon on Feb 1.... but that's a different story altogether.

Anyway, if you undock with it, it's because you're prepared to lose it. Undocking is consenting to pvp, because other people are going to pvp you whether you like it or not. Carrying plex is definitely not a protective criteria and CCP will not reimburse you for your own follies.

As for the rumors that EVE is going free to play - this is highly unlikely. EVE has survived for over a decade, longer than WoW, on a healthy subscription model that costs players no more than 50c a day. If EVE went free to play, many dedicated hobbyist subscribers that have been here for many years would take that as a sign of EVE's end, and leave. Free to play only benefits casuals, and casuals don't sub. EVE would have to become a smorgasbord of microtransactions to edge by, and in all but name, it simply would not be EVE anymore. EVE has to stand on its unique merits, or not at all.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#25 - 2015-12-25 16:20:02 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE NEW.

And so does everyone else here that has criticised and/or trolled your OP. ...
Exactly.

So OP, if you want to have starter lesson on how to survive in Wormhole space, send me a mail.
I might not be a PvP-er, but I shure now how to survive. Anywhere in EvE...Blink

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#26 - 2015-12-25 16:20:38 UTC
First of all, welcome to EVE. I'm now going to go over some of your issues and give some feedback.

Kia Son wrote:

2nd:
ship controls.
over all i like the way ships are controled in this game over any other space game i have played.
but a lot of the controls are ALL OVER the place.
and some things like "aligne to" do dumb things like try and go to the aligned object at full speed instead of setting speed to say 5 m/s aligning and then STOPING.
the sensor overlay popping up all the time... just simple little things can really be annoying and a turn off for new and old players.


This is something you'll get used to over time. Mastering the keyboard shortcuts is the key to effortless flying.

Kia Son wrote:

3rd:
Options
a lot of the options to change things are hard to find and/or in strange areas.
it took me a long time to figure out where the overlay setting were.
and there are camera and other such controls in genreal options in stead of where there is already an options tab for them.
some things i still haven't figured out.... like if you select a sation and hover over "dock" it has a "D" symbol like you can press "D" on your keyboard and you will dock.
also seems to be no way to lock the tool bar or what ever it is on the far left side so it dosen't get resized by accedent.


Definitely agree with you here, the options menu could use some work.

Kia Son wrote:

4th:
balance

A: i have gotten high level rat spawns in high sec areas.... and been blown up quickly as i am still a low level char.

B: trying to learn probing and going threw a worm hole to find my self in null space...
i can understand not having concord or what ever they are called in these areas... but the high sec worm holes that newbies are scanning down should maybe have some sort of worm hole dwelling group in them that enforce security with in these low level worm holes.

C: player ganks and traps
-with in 10. - 8. space there needs to be some why to protect new players from these things
maybe have a station or other such building with in these systems that give a buff/boost that any one with this buff firing on some one else with this buff has that damage reduced to 1 damage.
-the only trap i have seen so far is the box of loot sitting out and some one waiting for some newbie that dosen't know not to loot it.... in these systems i think you should not be able to loot these things at all.


This is the part of your post that is going to face most criticism. New players need to learn the hard way that EVE is a dangerous universe, protecting them from harm is just going to hurt them more in the long run.

Furthermore, players who die early in their EVE career tend to stay subbed for longer. This isn't your average MMO, the constant feeling of danger is something that you just don't get in other MMOs today. It is that danger that keeps many of us playing and coming back.

Kia Son wrote:
would be nice to get things like santa hats, santa beards, a cute fluffy coat.
a shuttle that looks like a sled being pulled by raindeer.


EVE has a certain aesthetic, I feel that adding gimmicky items like these will ruin immersion for many of us.

Kia Son wrote:
PLEX
these are bought with real money and should be treated diffrently then other items.
the other day i heard some one on the killboard got ganked in highsec with 25 PLEX on him... and they all vanished.
that is a lot of money to lose and kinda feels like a cash sink... and discurages people from buying them...


A fool and his money are soon parted. This is as true in EVE as it is in real life. There is no reason for anyone to move PLEX in a ship, as they can be redeemed anytime from any station via the Assets menu. People shouldn't be rewarded for making mistakes, otherwise they'll never learn from them.

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Kia Son
#27 - 2015-12-25 16:28:21 UTC
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:

So OP, if you want to have starter lesson on how to survive in Wormhole space, send me a mail.
I might not be a PvP-er, but I shure now how to survive. Anywhere in EvE...Blink


for now i think i will stay out of WHs as my scanning/hacking skills take too long to scan down stuff in there any way.
once i am higher level i might take you up on that tho.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2015-12-25 16:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Kia Son wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Hahhaa

And guess what, if you did some reasearch, new player systems are protected.


how so?
i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them.
dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>

What's his name, I'll have someone go kick his teeth in for you.

edit for clarity : thats a legitimate offer by the way, all i need to find him is his name.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-12-25 16:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
The two main points for newbies to understand is, 1) doing dumb or risky things in EvE has consequences like in real life, 2) mistakes are learning opportunities, unlike life nothing real is at stake*, it's all only space pixels, have fun, enjoy the thrill.

Merry Christmas!

* When you buy PLEX, dresses, etc. you exchange money for space pixels, the money is gone the moment of your purchase.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2015-12-25 18:32:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You know, when I was new, I posted some dumb things in the forums too. But I know now that they weren't dumb so much as I didn't know what I was talking about. I didn't understand EVE. It's a typical rookie move, really. Us vets should be expecting it. I can't say I blame you, though. Adapting to new things can be a little overwhelming. But if you let it, it can also be exciting and a great learning experience. EVE Online is one of the most fulfilling gaming experiences I've ever had. No, it is the single most fulfilling, bar none. Let me tell you a story.

When I was new, after I finished my career missions, I decided I'd give mining a crack. It seemed to be the easiest thing to get into at the time, and I already had some stuff for it, so why not? My rookie system was Couster, not far from Seyllin, and after a couple hours of mining junk in high sec, I looked up where to find some better stuff nearby on the internet, and there she was, Seyllin, all full up with shiny Jaspet. I hopped in my little Navitas armed with a mining laser and a single civilian electron blaster, and I went to low. I read the warning, I prepared my anus, and went to find some Jaspet.

By my fourth undisturbed trip between Seyllin and Couster with full loads of Jaspet, I was bored. But I was also obsessed. I was making isk and it seemed like the only thing to do. I got lucky though, I was saved from the trap because my own decision to seek out the better ore lead me into the waiting jaws of a Jaguar from General Tso's Alliance.

He blapped me and my pod so fast I thought the game had crashed. Literally thought that.

When I realised I was reloading in Couster station, I knew I'd found my calling. "I want to do to that guy what that guy just did to me"

And I started paying very close attention to learning the mechanics, the ships, how skills worked and all that. Along the way, I got a little arrogant and came on the forums demanding something dumb, then got salty for being put in my place and stormed out, unsubscribed from EVE, and then came back two weeks later. Because gosh darn it, I really wanted to kill that guy that messed up my mining!

That's when I realised my mistake on the forums - I'd been put in my place by guys who'd been doing this forever, and I'd been told things that I SHOULD have learned from. Long story short, I met some guys, learned to PVP, and now I'm pretty damn good at it, doing a lot more than that Jaguar did to me. As a predominantly solo PVP pilot with an 84% success rate, I'd even go so far as to brag a little. But more than that, I enjoy sharing my experience and helping others to learn to PVP because I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE NEW.

And so does everyone else here that has criticised and/or trolled your OP. And they don't do it out of spite (although there may be a degree of jaded bitterness from seeing the same thing over and over), they do it because through ridicule, MAYBE you'll get mad, maybe you'll walk out, but the seed will be there in your mind, a seed that may or may not grow into something remarkable that makes you into this prodigal powerplayer with few to challenge you in your chosen field of expertise within EVE Online.

The choice is entirely yours to learn from the best, or die like the rest.



That was a beautiful post, mate. All the applauses.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#31 - 2015-12-25 19:02:49 UTC
That should somehow be put into the tutorial.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#32 - 2015-12-25 19:50:04 UTC
Kia Son wrote:
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:

So OP, if you want to have starter lesson on how to survive in Wormhole space, send me a mail.
I might not be a PvP-er, but I shure now how to survive. Anywhere in EvE...Blink


for now i think i will stay out of WHs as my scanning/hacking skills take too long to scan down stuff in there any way.
once i am higher level i might take you up on that tho.
If you can scan out a Wormhole in High-sec, you can just as easily scan out most things in W-space.
Nonetheless, I stand by my offer. So whenever you feel you are ready, send that mail.

Pro-tip: When ever you happen to lose your ship to another player (and that happens in EvE, all part of the game), ask that player what you could have done to avoid it. Be it by winning the confrontation or avoiding/escaping it altogether. He/she just bested you, you can learn from that person.
Not all will be polite or willing to answer, but a surprising large part of the EvE player base would.
Just be a little cool about the loss (sh*t happens in EvE) and chances are high you get treated cool.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-12-25 21:59:35 UTC
Kia Son wrote:
you guys have like 2 female shirts that are cute.
and not a single cute par of pants/shorts or shoes.



Suuree.... That'll bring back the suscribers!

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-12-25 22:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Kia Son wrote:



i understand that worm holes conect all over the play how they are now... i had one close on me and had to go threw like 4 of them to find my way out...
there should be lower difficulty ones... or make it so that a lowbe char can't scan down WHs...


There are multiple "difficulties" of wormholes (C1 being the "easiest").

As for not being able to scan something, that would break something fundamental in EVE, called "THE sandbox".
Just cause you don't want to have hard things availble, doesn't mean that other newbies don't want it.
So if a new player doesn't want to mine/mission/explore/scam/trade, no other new player should be allowed to that?

On before hand, you CAN actually check what type of wormhole you are about to jump into, by looking up the info given too you.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-12-25 22:24:32 UTC
Kia Son wrote:

the other option would be to make it so that a new player is protected from getting ganked for (X) amount of days... but that just seems unlogical game wise and also can easily be exploited.


YEAH, great idea...

Let's give veteran players complete and utterly safe ways to transport things by making "new players" (read accounts) when they need somethin g shipped.

SURE this is not totally game breaking at all.


aka,


NO, dumb idea.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#36 - 2015-12-25 23:01:36 UTC
Kia Son wrote:
GAME PLAY


2nd:
ship controls.
over all i like the way ships are controled in this game over any other space game i have played.
but a lot of the controls are ALL OVER the place.
and some things like "aligne to" do dumb things like try and go to the aligned object at full speed instead of setting speed to say 5 m/s aligning and then STOPING.


That defeats the purpose of aligning. The purpose of aligning is insta-warping. If you stop then no insta-warp when you click warp-to, If you stop you're not aligned, you're just pointed at your destination. Although an argument can be made for setting speed to 75%, as opposed to max speed. Since only 75% is required.



Quote:


A: i have gotten high level rat spawns in high sec areas.... and been blown up quickly as i am still a low level char.

And gotten a free ship to try again.

Quote:


B: trying to learn probing and going threw a worm hole to find my self in null space...
i can understand not having concord or what ever they are called in these areas... but the high sec worm holes that newbies are scanning down should maybe have some sort of worm hole dwelling group in them that enforce security with in these low level worm holes.


I could swear that the safety button warns you before entering a wormhole. There is no low-level worm hole. You found a door to oblivion. The good news, you get blown up, you get a free ship, and some titanium.

Quote:

C: player ganks and traps
-with in 10. - 8. space there needs to be some why to protect new players from these things
maybe have a station or other such building with in these systems that give a buff/boost that any one with this buff firing on some one else with this buff has that damage reduced to 1 damage.
-the only trap i have seen so far is the box of loot sitting out and some one waiting for some newbie that dosen't know not to loot it.... in these systems i think you should not be able to loot these things at all.


Newbies are protected in newbie systemst Those are the specific system you start the game in. Baiting and other techniques are off limits there only.


Quote:

PLEX
these are bought with real money and should be treated diffrently then other items.



Oh they are. The entire server will converge on your ship if you have any in your hold. That doesn't happen with normal items.

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From the nature of your complaints it sounds like you're just not part of the target demographic for this game. Eve provides a lawless venue for gaming where the only law is the one the players enforce. If you want some wormhole councel to protect newbies, then you need to inspire a bunch of players to make such a council.

This is a sandbox. Sandbox is for kids that entertain themselves, the sand isn't all that entertaining in itself.

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Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#37 - 2015-12-25 23:27:07 UTC
Kia Son wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Hahhaa

And guess what, if you did some reasearch, new player systems are protected.


how so?
i saw a guy sitting infront of the station with some thing jet canned and waiting for new players to pick it up so he could blast them.
dosen't seem very protected to me. >.>

and as far as i can tell all worm holes are null space.... and there are a lot of worm holes in high sec.


how about instead of "haha your post sucks".... you let me know what i got wrong or why it is better the way it is.
i am still new... only like 12 days old.



well not all of us have a wife/husband and/or kid(s) to spend the holidays with. >.>
if i did then i wouldn't be on eve today.... but i don't....

Well, don't take what's not yours. Keep your safety on green. W-space is not null-space. It's worse, because no local.
It's all a matter of choice and consequence.
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Dracarys.
#38 - 2015-12-26 00:07:04 UTC
I found myself thinking , points one to three, hmmm ok maybe.

Point 4. No way

And hell no plex should not be treated as separate items. If you are dumb enough to flywith a hold full of the little darlings,you deserve to lose them

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blue media poetry
#39 - 2015-12-26 00:46:27 UTC
Kia Son wrote:
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-the only trap i have seen so far is the box of loot sitting out and some one waiting for some newbie that dosen't know not to loot it.... in these systems i think you should not be able to loot these things at all.


There is... it's called 'don't touch anything yellow'

If it's blue then you might find yourself rich beyond your wildest dreams....
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blue media poetry
#40 - 2015-12-26 00:50:00 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Kia Son wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
"I want EVE to be WoW in space and easy and safe thread number 936.693.297"


the only safty i am suggesting is in the new player areas...
there is a TON to learn in this game and it takes time.... if people are going to quit before they learn even 1/5th of game basics it dosen't help the player base grow.

oh and i guess for PLEX also... but really that is REAL money.




also a LOT more in the opening thread then more safty in noobie areas. >.>


Hahhaa

And guess what, if you did some reasearch, new player systems are protected.


ha ha

no they are not....