Ships & Modules

In faction warfare and PVP in general warp core stabilizers can be an issue and I would like to propose a tweak to them. As it stands now they have some serious drawbacks to combat, but we still see pilots using them in combat situations.

Lets take the "Warp Core Stabilizer I" for example. It has 50% reduction to max targeting range and 50% hit to scan resolution while adding +1 to warp core strength. On a combat ship these are not the kind of bonuses you want to see,but IMHO not enough to deter pilots from using them in combat situations. Now with industrial ships or hauling ships I see real reason to fit such mods on. Industrial ships are not intended to be combat ships and I feel that the added warp core strength of warp core stabs outweigh the negatives.

The change I'm suggesting to warp core stabilizers is to treat them like polarized weaponry on combat ships. Adding the negative of having 0% resistance to a combat ship due to the warp stab being fit should be enough of a deterrent for pilots. I would give industrial ships immunity to the 0% resistance would keep them viable for hauling ships and industrial ships.

Warp core stabs need some nerf to deter them from being used as often in combat. All too often in faction warfare space we see pilots offensively and defensively running complexes with stabs. If a pilots wants to fit warp core stabs to their ship their combat capabilities should be greatly reduced.

Thank you

-BB

Maybe I should bring a HIC with every fleet? I'm not trying to debate what ship can do what, but I'd like to look a the mod. Please consider adding some form of criticism instead of a one liner.

No but you should bring an MNI if stabbed farmers bother you that much.
Criticism: You are whining about something when CCP just gave you a tool more or less specifically designed to deal with your perceived "issue".

You state that you cant catch a defendless ship and you want changes to make him naked?

If you want to kill an industrial ship with WCSs then use 2 or even 3 scrams, depends on their fit.
To kill a FW farmer Loyd already told you a great solution to your problem.

If have a problem with the solutions we posted then ... you have a problem.

As I stated earlier "I would give industrial ships immunity to the 0% resistance would keep them viable for hauling ships and industrial ships."

I agree with you, Loyd presented me with a solution to catch FW farmers. I'm going to give it a go. I feel the MNI will really help with this.




This is what I'm trying to get at. This thread is not about me whining, but to try and bring attention to a mod that may need a look. If CCP and players are happy with the way these mods are so be it, but a healthy debate about them will not hurt.

I kinda get what the OP is saying, though it is more Farmers I want to see the end of, and their are ways you could do that, give WCS a hard cap, maybe 2 on a Frigate, 4 on a Cruiser, 6 on a Battleship, and no cap on Industrials. Something like that would be good I think, doesn't stop Famers completely, but hinders them a lot, because honestly, if someone is in Combat Space Farming (Low Sec), they should be exposed to just as much threat as a standard combat ship, they should have downsides, like.. For every 1 Warp Core Strength you gain, you loose 50% Warp Speed, Industrials do not suffer this side effect. Something like that would be awesome! And yes, I do hate Farmers with a passion.

Not that they can't hold you down, it would give them more chances to catch you at the location you Warped to, maybe make them active modules then, while active your Align, Warp Speed and Speed drop by 50% or something? They should have something that actually involves a risk in using them, and haha! I don't believe the ships that bring me my ammo, and fill my market with stock should be nerfed, Industrials have slower aligns, and carry much more then the ship is worth, therefor, it should have some bonus to keeping it alive, in my opinion, something that makes use of the WCS's, that would be a massive negative to Combat ship.

But yes, a worse, more serve penalty for using something that can make you immune to all but 2 or 3 ships, which generally costs 10-20 times as much as the ship you are trying to pin down.

Was referring to ships that either get A, multiple long range points, or things like the Navy Maulus, with the Scram bonus, to catch farmers, who normally sit off the beacon a fair ways, you need a fast ship, that can fit enough Scrams to counter Farmers, and Punishers, have a lot of Low Slots, and I have seen them in almost every bloody Complex since the change, so I am correct, there are only a few ships that can reliably catch these things, such as Tri-Scram MWD Captors, Maulus Navies, and things that have enough mids to fit enough Points.

WCS's should be removed from the game, or at the very least have their drawbacks increased, reason? Being a wimp, Transports and Industrials should be the only ships capable of fitting one.

Removing them might be going a bit far, but yes they really need worse drawbacks.


I'm just posting this fit to make a point. This is just some quick EFT, but with more time and thought I'm sure I could make it better.

Punisher

4x Warp Core Stabilizer I
Damage Control I

1MN Afterburner I

4x 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S

Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

138DPS
5.42K lock range

this is combat effective enough to evade a MNI with 1 scram and kill novice rats.

Learn to play the game. Bring Hic, Arazu / Lachesis, ceptor with +2 / +3 short points, bring Keres or the new navy ew frig. What else do you need ?