EVE General Discussion

You aren't helping to convince me of anything but the elitist want their special sandbox to shrink until it dies. That's your choice. Peace.

What we need to attract new players is to help them understand how they can jump right up to the top with skills down at the bottom. It all starts, continues, and ends with frigates. You can and will do awesome things in a frigate. You might never do anything awesome in a battleship no matter how long you play or how skilled you get, but if you keep trying, you will most definitely do something completely awesome in a frigate.

Once you understand how powerful a tool a frigate can be, you can take it one step further and learn to understand that even better than most veteran players. Once you're there, you can use your own skill and experience to surpass your character's skills and do something awesome or important.

I cannot stress this enough: you will most certainly do something awesome and important faster by focusing on frigates than by focusing on anything else. The end-game in EVE starts when you finally realize that frigates are the end-game. Why play EVE? Aside from it being a sandbox where your moves change the game for everyone else, you can be part of a larger world, and you can reach the end-game almost immediately after starting. That's why.





Boosting skillpoint training rates for new characters or new accounts will only help veteran players at strong expense to actual new players.

…and by the time SC is out, the amount of SP you could have accumulated at current speeds in the meantime would probably be in the hundreds of millions.

If this is true why do so many corps have huge SP requirements? To my this seems to illustrate the fact these points are very important because if it was simply knowledge they could teach that.

Because it correlates with time and they are too lazy or incompetent to teach new players how to play. They want you to come in with, say, a year worth of game experience and some ability to fill the corp's coffers support yourself financially.

Adjusting the starting point of new players will not let you join those corps any sooner since the requirements will be adjusted to match the exact same time equivalent. It will also not change the fact that you don't want to join such a corp since they have nothing of value to offer a new player (or indeed any player) to begin with.

And exactly the kind of gamer this game doesn't need is the kind that never will think it's fast enough.



And you aren't making any kind of counterpoint by just calling people elitist. The game has existed for more than a decade, longer than WoW, on a small and slowly growing userbase that continued to grow when the game was even more 'elite' (read: harder and slower to get into) than it is now. What makes you think it's going to shrink until it dies? What makes you think anyone here wants that? That is an unqualified assertion that you're going to have to elaborate on, or we can dismiss this petty pejorative for what it is: a tantrum because you're not getting what you want.

Ever consider that this game might not be good for you, or that you might not be good for this game? If you want instant gratification, there are a tonne of first-person shooters and even RPGs out there that will provide it. Hell, I've been playing Fallout 4 and just using console commands to get myself all the best weapons and power armor right from the word go, not to mention giving myself instant level 50 and a few other bits and pieces. It's a more casual game, where instant gratification is an option you have.

EVE is not, and never should be.

As an aside, the guy above me made a solid point that you can't deny: any SP advantage you give to new toons will apply to new alts made by vets as well, and a vet with 2K SP is still going to wipe the floor with a newb with the same SP. Hell, I've proven a vet with less than 1 mil will wipe the floor with someone with over 5 mil SP when I duelled and beat a 2012 member of P I R A T in Amarr, my newb toon in a meta 4 fit incursus vs him in a t2 fit raptor. The trick to keeping people on board despite the waiting time of training queues is removing the illusion that skill points gives you an advantage.

It's been my general experience that SP requirements are synonymous with lazy leadership and a community that doesn't like helping its members. It's dumb too since a 150 million SP player who has spent his entire life in the game shooting mission rats probably knows less about the game than a 2 million SP player who joined pandemic horde or became a CODE. agent after getting his venture ganked.

Restrictions or behaviors that are the result of player action aren't necessarily actually related to the inherent nature of the game.

Just for the love of crap never join a highsec group that's super eager to get new players for no apparent reason. I don't even understand why those groups want those new players.

Taxes. Social recognition as a 'leader'. Cannon fodder. There are a lot of reasons.

The karma system never worked and I don't mind the dumbed down dialogue system too much. What's killing me (literally) is that you can't play as a total fukwad. Half the NPCs don't even acknowledge you shooting them and the other half murder you without taking the least bit of damage. I want to kill everyone. Children, NPCs, companions and quest specific characters alike. Just like the good old days of FO3.

So lame.

As for the topic at hand. I'd have no problem with an increased skill training speed. It's kind of like in real life when you are making the same money year after year but the price of everything keeps rising. Same with this game. Replace inflation with continually adding new skills and your static wage with the never increasing skill speed.

It wouldn't hurt the game to increase it slightly, in my opinion.

For everyone, though. The nublets just got that large boost to starting SP, so they're fine.

Mr Epeen