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PI muncher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-13 21:22:33 UTC
What gives? There is hardly any on the market and with its 2 components silicon and industrial fibres costing about 350 a unit Theres a crap tonne of profit to be made. buy orders at 9.5k a unit give approximately 55% return and sell orders are at 11.5k and upwards returning nearly 100% profit!


Roll on the PI changes Shocked
Sleekman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-13 21:26:22 UTC
Import / Export tax @ High-Sec rates drops those profits to what?
PI muncher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-13 21:29:14 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
Import / Export tax @ High-Sec rates drops those profits to what?


Still pretty astronomical even if you import/export in highsec. Better to do it in low though but thats always to personal taste.

What other product shows such good returns for the investment?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2011-12-13 22:37:27 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
Import / Export tax @ High-Sec rates drops those profits to what?


Even with the hi-sec tariffs on importing P1 from the market and exporting P2, you currently get about a 34% margin on making Microfiber Shielding. Based on an average of the top 4 markets.

Silicon = 487
Chiral Structures = 707
Microfiber Shielding = ~14.250 ISK/u

But there's also some big swings in the market value across the regions, so you'd have to run your own numbers.

(P1a + 25 + P1b + 25) * 40/5 = input cost per unit
(P2 market price - 900 - (1.5% of market price for broker/sales)) = net export value per unit

For Sinq Laison:

(590+25 + 409+25) * 40/5 = 8392
(13745-900 - 206) = 12639
margin: +4247 ISK/u (50.6%)

Chirals are a lot cheaper in Sinq vs Forge as of the overnight prices. Which helps boost the profit margin of making that particular P2 from P1.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#5 - 2011-12-13 22:46:14 UTC
PI muncher wrote:
[quote=Sleekman]
What other product shows such good returns for the investment?


Offhand (assuming you're in hi-sec, buy P1, make P2 and pay roughly average prices across the four market hubs):

Biocells
Construction Blocks
Coolant
Enriched Uranium
Mechanical Parts
Microfiber Shielding
Polyaramids
Supertensile Plastics
Transmitter
Viral Agent

For making P3 from P2:

Cryprotectant Solution
Industrial Explosives
Vaccines

For a lot of stuff, you're better off making P3 from P1, or P4 from P2, which skips a tier of tariffs.
PI muncher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-14 06:39:18 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Sleekman wrote:
Import / Export tax @ High-Sec rates drops those profits to what?


Even with the hi-sec tariffs on importing P1 from the market and exporting P2, you currently get about a 34% margin on making Microfiber Shielding. Based on an average of the top 4 markets.

Silicon = 487
Chiral Structures = 707
Microfiber Shielding = ~14.250 ISK/u

But there's also some big swings in the market value across the regions, so you'd have to run your own numbers.

(P1a + 25 + P1b + 25) * 40/5 = input cost per unit
(P2 market price - 900 - (1.5% of market price for broker/sales)) = net export value per unit

For Sinq Laison:

(590+25 + 409+25) * 40/5 = 8392
(13745-900 - 206) = 12639
margin: +4247 ISK/u (50.6%)

Chirals are a lot cheaper in Sinq vs Forge as of the overnight prices. Which helps boost the profit margin of making that particular P2 from P1.



you put chiral structures for your calculation . it should be industrial fibers which cost half the price so profits are considerably more
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#7 - 2011-12-14 15:05:03 UTC
PI muncher wrote:

you put chiral structures for your calculation . it should be industrial fibers which cost half the price so profits are considerably more


Doh! I need more industrial fibers in my diet, I guess.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-14 16:37:48 UTC
PI muncher wrote:
What gives? There is hardly any on the market and with its 2 components silicon and industrial fibres costing about 350 a unit Theres a crap tonne of profit to be made. buy orders at 9.5k a unit give approximately 55% return and sell orders are at 11.5k and upwards returning nearly 100% profit!


Roll on the PI changes Shocked


Microfiber Shielding, Polyaramids, and Silicate Glass are the three P2s that require importing at least 1 P1 good from another planet to make. There is no way to make any of these on a single planet. This limits the number of producers.

(My private chart says that there is about 50%, 100% and -35% profits on each respectively. I'm not sure why the glass is currently a looser in the P1->p2 factory planet looser category.)
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#9 - 2011-12-14 16:56:10 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
I'm not sure why the glass is currently a looser in the P1->p2 factory planet loser category.


Silicate glass is an old NPC good, so there's still significant stockpiles of it out there.
http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?step=Show&type_id=3697&region_id=10000002&type=history

(Anything with a history prior to June 2010 used to be sold by NPCs.)