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CCP can help me through CSM only, they said.

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Ahuraa
Tyde8
#1 - 2015-12-19 15:20:12 UTC
After creating a ticket and explaining my protest, CCP told me that my protest can only be heard through CSM.

After the last path changes was made on some modules in the game. Changes are not something new in EVE and as a trader i am used to such changes.

Unfortunately the last change that was made on Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer and Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer was not the kind i have seen befor.

These two items already existed before the December Release 1.0 patch, thus the value of the item was already determined.

After the December Release 1.0 path CCP converted 2 times; Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I to these items(below), thus devaluing my stock of Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I.

CCP decided that one item in the game with a specific value must be changed to another item which also had a specific value, this devaluation was determined by the value of the existing item that these two items was converted to.

If the conversion lead to a new item then i would have accepted the value of that new item, this kind of uncertainty is part of EVE.
If the conversion even lead to removal of these two items then that would also be acceptable.

I need your help to reach CCP with the message that the choice to devalue the items goes against the so called "free market" principle they enjoy bragging about.

In EVEs free market you don't convert apples to potatoes. In Free market i must decide if i want my apples to be converted to less valued potatoes(compared to apples).
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2015-12-19 18:18:34 UTC
This is not the first time CCP has done this (see: other modules and ships have been rebalanced/repurposed... making them worth more or less than before).


No one has been reimbursed for any of these changes. Ever.


Oh... and CCP does not set the price of the modules you are talking about. That is determined by the players. Other players felt that the rebalanced module was not worth as much as the old module.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-12-20 13:35:13 UTC
If you're going to do a lot of trading in EVE then paying attention to upcoming changes is really important.

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Ahuraa
Tyde8
#4 - 2015-12-23 11:10:04 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
This is not the first time CCP has done this (see: other modules and ships have been rebalanced/repurposed... making them worth more or less than before).


No one has been reimbursed for any of these changes. Ever.


Oh... and CCP does not set the price of the modules you are talking about. That is determined by the players. Other players felt that the rebalanced module was not worth as much as the old module.



So are you saying that CCP has in the past taken one item in the game and changed it to another already existing item in the game?
Could you please tell when they did this and which items.


" CCP does not set the price of the modules"

I did not say that CCP sets the price. Please read my post again.


CCP Change an item in the game into another item in the game that was VALUED less and did not tell us about it.
Why couldn't they just say item a is going to become item B, and the players could then decide if they want to to keep item B after the change or not.



Ahuraa
Tyde8
#5 - 2015-12-23 11:12:03 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you're going to do a lot of trading in EVE then paying attention to upcoming changes is really important.


Thank you for your advise, i will certainly think about it in the future.

In this case CCP did not tell us that the change will lead one item in the game will be change into another already existing item in the game.
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2015-12-23 19:33:24 UTC
Ahuraa wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you're going to do a lot of trading in EVE then paying attention to upcoming changes is really important.


Thank you for your advise, i will certainly think about it in the future.

In this case CCP did not tell us that the change will lead one item in the game will be change into another already existing item in the game.

They most certainly did. Look for the section titled "EWAR Module Tiericide."
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2015-12-24 02:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Ahuraa wrote:
So are you saying that CCP has in the past taken one item in the game and changed it to another already existing item in the game?
Could you please tell when they did this and which items.

Yes.

- Co-Processors
- Reactor Control Units
- Micro Auxiliary Power Cores
- Light Missile Launchers
- Capacitor Flux Coils
- Cargo Scanners
- Ship Scanners
- Survey Scanners
- Microwarpdrives
- Afterburners
- Armor plates
- Mining lasers
- Cargo Expanders
- Reinforced Bulkheads
- Nanofiber Internal Structures
- Inertial Stabilizers
- Overdrive Injectors
- Shield rechangers
- Warp Disruption Field Generators

The list goes on.

And CCP has been doing this for a long while.
REBALANCING EVE, ONE MODULE AT A TIME
(this is from September 2014)

REBALANCING MODULES IN EVE ONLINE, ROUND TWO
(this is from December 2014)


And not just modules either. The ship rebalancing efforts have done some very similar things.

One of the best examples of this are Mining Barges and Exhumers.
They were all rebalanced in a way where they now all have the same number of effectively strip miners. The only differences between them are; one is tanky, one has a huge ore capacity, one has slightly better mining rates.


Ahuraa wrote:
" CCP does not set the price of the modules"

I did not say that CCP sets the price. Please read my post again.

I did. You are complaining that players value a module less than what they did before and blaming CCP for making the change.

The fact that players value "your stock" less due to the changes CCP made is not CCP's concern. Their interest is making all modules viable (see: usable) and not having a single version of a module dominate because it has the best of everything (T2 performance with low fitting and low capacitor cost and still cheaper than any faction or deadspace variant).


Ahuraa wrote:
Why couldn't they just say item a is going to become item B, and the players could then decide if they want to to keep item B after the change or not.

Because if players could choose between the version of a module that is being phased because it is better versus the new one which is more "balanced"... players will keep the better version.
This goes against the rebalancing efforts.

Iain Cariaba wrote:
They most certainly did. Look for the section titled "EWAR Module Tiericide."

A better link:
[December] Module Tiericide - Neutralizers and Nosferatu
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#8 - 2015-12-24 04:03:40 UTC
Ahuraa wrote:
In this case CCP did not tell us that the change will lead one item in the game will be change into another already existing item in the game.

Besides the stuff that's already been said, the module changes (including the naming convention) were up on the test server for A GOOD LONG WHILE.

You had plenty of opportunity to notice the changes if you had paid attention.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2015-12-24 06:55:42 UTC
Ahuraa wrote:
After creating a ticket and explaining my protest, CCP told me that my protest can only be heard through CSM.

After the last path changes was made on some modules in the game. Changes are not something new in EVE and as a trader i am used to such changes.

Unfortunately the last change that was made on Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer and Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer was not the kind i have seen befor.

These two items already existed before the December Release 1.0 patch, thus the value of the item was already determined.

After the December Release 1.0 path CCP converted 2 times; Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I to these items(below), thus devaluing my stock of Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I.

CCP decided that one item in the game with a specific value must be changed to another item which also had a specific value, this devaluation was determined by the value of the existing item that these two items was converted to.

If the conversion lead to a new item then i would have accepted the value of that new item, this kind of uncertainty is part of EVE.
If the conversion even lead to removal of these two items then that would also be acceptable.

I need your help to reach CCP with the message that the choice to devalue the items goes against the so called "free market" principle they enjoy bragging about.

In EVEs free market you don't convert apples to potatoes. In Free market i must decide if i want my apples to be converted to less valued potatoes(compared to apples).


I presume you also support CCP removing ISK from people who had items in their hangar which saw a price rise as a part of the changes?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016