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Would you recommend EVE to people? Why?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-12-17 18:52:39 UTC
This Noisy article deserves a read, and I think this topic deserves a discussion: Would you recommend EVE to people, and why?

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2015/12/what-is-chief-customer-officer.html
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-12-17 18:56:20 UTC
Gareth Mythros
Cyberstar Enterprises
#3 - 2015-12-17 19:19:51 UTC
I've recommended EVE to people that I know for a certain fact are mature enough to handle it. I would definitely not recommend this game for anyone under 18, at the youngest. However, there are real-life lessons that can be learned here.

VS other MMO's, there's no comparison when it comes to complexity, and it requires careful forethought and planning that just isn't necessary with any other game. EVE is a game with consequences, and that's a real rarity in a gaming world overwhelmed with shooters with 1-minute respawn timers. EVE emphasizes situational awareness, character judgement, money management, and conservative thinking. I've been a hisec, non-pvp-focused player since 2006 (with large gaps due to military service), and while it might be argued by many here that I've missed out on the bulk of the "real EVE experience", I think I've learned a lot from the game, and had a lot of fun besides.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2015-12-17 19:20:37 UTC
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One observation that caught my attention was that DICE relied too much on the forums for feedback and that a better system was needed. The solution that DICE came up with was the Net Promoter Score.


Sigh, the death of one of my loves of Eve, and the return of my nemesis from my Insurance company days.

I always recommend Eve to people. The only problem i run into is that people are more tempted towards the instant gratification games where you can buy endgame gear and a lvl gorillion character from the cash shop, or games where you can 720 backflip no-scope headshot a guy off the eiffel tower and then land in the pilot seat of a jet and bomb a freaking shark.

Now, if CCP were to bring Legion and Valkyrie to the table as well ( you know, having all games playable across a single platform and all that jazz), there would be a much better draw for newer players as you would be satisfying the FPS/Flight itch as well as the sandbox itch.. but alas we digress into repeated bludgeoning of a deceased equine with that, especially if we were to want them to be integrated into Eve in order to compete with SC when its released in 2024 [bludgeoning intensifies].

Eve is a sandbox of epic proportions where there is room for the good, the bad, the in-between, and god forbid.. the bloody neutrals.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Demolishar
United Aggression
#5 - 2015-12-17 19:26:12 UTC
Yeah cos I get a PLEX if they sub.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#6 - 2015-12-17 20:16:44 UTC
I don't recommend EVE to my friends because I don't have any.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#7 - 2015-12-17 20:25:18 UTC
I only recommend EVE to my internet 'friends'. You know, the people I don't care much about.

I'd never recommend it to my RL friends as I'd like to keep them as friends.

Mr Epeen Cool
Solecist Project
#8 - 2015-12-17 21:12:26 UTC

I would, if they'd be interested in doing something actually worthwhile.

TV makes people dumb.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#9 - 2015-12-17 21:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Getting a bit tired of all these agenda pushing blog sites. Can't be bothered to read it.


Either way: no, not at the moment. Until CCP decides on a course and acts accordingly I can't recommend EVE. As MMO's go this one is a long term investment of sorts and if you don't trust the powers that be to make decisions that stroke with what EVE stood, and perhaps still stands, for then to me that's bad.

Lots of good stuff has happened but also things where I just have to wonder what the hell they were thinking. T3D, the whole skill trading, some of the UI updates they're working on but also the overall dumbing down of EVE. Skill trading is a big one because if that happens then that's a first step towards terribleness. Something I'm not interested in.

Anyone who's been with EA for 14 years is a company man/woman, anyone who's main thing is "how to maximise number of customers" is not in the business of nurturing a niche. To me people like that are the anti-christ because they think in quantity, not quality.
Top Guac
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-12-17 21:42:16 UTC
Most of my friends are too soft.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-12-17 21:44:32 UTC
...which people? Eve is a niche game and, generally when I recommend something to someone, I do so based on the belief that they will enjoy it, and not the fact that *I* enjoy it.

I like single-player roguelikes. My buddy refuses to play any game that isn't multiplayer. I don't recommend single player roguelikes to him.


So, yeah, there are people to whom I would recommend Eve, and others for whom I would most definitely NOT.

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Memphis Baas
#12 - 2015-12-17 22:06:26 UTC
I recommend EVE to those I think will like EVE.

Unfortunately, the headcount for my circle of friends has remained constant for a few years now, so that has resulted in no recommendations.

If you're asking in a round-about way for opinions about the game, I think that what they've done with subcapitals so far has been pretty good, but unfortunately the game feels incomplete (and lacking end-game play) until they release their rework of capital ships.

And as far as the microtransactions fluff, to me it feels like whoever's making the decisions has no clue. Compared to SWTOR's "Cartel Market", the NEX store is a joke, both in the number of items available and in the way we can accumulate them in-game.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#13 - 2015-12-17 22:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Memphis Baas wrote:
And as far as the microtransactions fluff, to me it feels like whoever's making the decisions has no clue. Compared to SWTOR's "Cartel Market", the NEX store is a joke, both in the number of items available and in the way we can accumulate them in-game.


CCP could have made a killing, and for a long time now, if only they would have decided to do it right. Instead they chose shittiness and half arsed solutions. I'm happy to spend money on EVE but only if what they're offering makes sense, shows insight and commitment. Terrible "fill all" textures that cost lol amount of money don't persuade me.

It's the same with those new Mordu skins. I'll never buy 28 plex (lol) and I don't care about the ship or its skin but it's yet another case of lack of decisiveness and communication. Someone made a remark about it a week ago about how CCP should clarify that such skins would only be available with high volume plex sales. THEN it would have created a pull but nope: they chose to just do "whatever" and stay silent so the people who are genuinely interested don't trust the market value of those skins because for all we know it we might get them for free for Christmas, who the **** knows. It's such a missed opportunity.
Ginnie
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-12-17 22:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginnie
Yes. It's challenging (from multiple perspectives) and very different from other MMORPGs.

Personally, the micro-transactions don't affect me. I have played SWTOR and other games with micro-transactions and have never bought anything beyond the subscription. However, I think its obvious that its profitable as its the sort of the "new way" of running MMORPGs. Free-to-play, pay-to-win, right?

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.

Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-12-17 22:41:36 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
I don't recommend EVE to my friends because I don't have any.


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Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2015-12-17 22:44:16 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
This
After your performance yesterday, everyone already knows.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-12-17 22:51:25 UTC
already have done it. The quit eve to boring. Yep the need to hold there hands like world of warcraft. Perhaps (a new idea) to make some sort of "quest" system. That keep those new people buzzy.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2015-12-17 23:00:43 UTC
I'd recommend it, but EVE has its complexity and it's subscription fee working against itself. Whenever I try to convince someone to play this game (because it's so unique and awesome) I inevitably end up explaining that it does cost 15 dollars a month (or an ungodly amount of grinding) and that it's a game that requires long term (time) investments. And as much as people like the sound of EVE and want to try it, those two things are enough to put most people off. Not to mention the complexity of joining a corp and all the other weirdly complex interactions we have in EVE. I'm always sort of reluctant to explain the average corp's recruiting process to someone because I simply KNOW they won't understand and think that's insane (which, honestly, it kinda is).

So yeah... I'd recommend it to people in a heart beat but actually convincing them to try it, that's hard.

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Mister Ripley
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-12-17 23:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Ripley
I would if I could instantly play with my friends instead of spending 2 hours on settings so we can actauly see the same thing in market and space.

I tried it a few times and the result was always the same. Cry

  • Tell them what to buy is not possible with default market settings.
  • Tell them what to shoot is not possible with default overview settings.
  • Tell them where to find something in the UI was not possible wth the default settings
  • etc


The other part are people that think "facebook games" are the same thing as "real games", I don't even talk to them about EVE. Big smile

And if someone from CCP is reading thins.

DON'T FUNKING DARE!

It's already a really narrow line you are walking with Festival Ammo and Snowball Launchers and **** for AUR. You will never reach millions of players, but if you give some marketing ******** enough room you will destroy the game.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#20 - 2015-12-18 00:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
I no longer recommend EVE.

It annoys people.
They don't have the patience to skill up to do some of the stuff that I do.
They find it slow and boring.
I think EVE is on a downward slope, it is losing depth to be less complex, which bores the veterans and still won't attract the plebs.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

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