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Tornado or Oracle? And why?

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Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-12-13 19:49:00 UTC
So my question is this, why would someone fly one over the other.

Tornado hasTwisted OMGWTFBBQEvil alpha, small base sig radius, and is decently fast.

Oracle does what the tornado does, but with less alpha and higher DPS. I think.

I'm not all that keen on why one over the other. I've got some skilling up to do before fitting T2 large guns, so I'd like to know the strengths and weaknesses of both.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Goose99
#2 - 2011-12-13 20:07:11 UTC
Tornado, because of WinmatarCool
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-13 20:10:39 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Tornado, because of WinmatarCool


Yes'n no Lol

Oracles are bloody fine, it's just that I cant use those Lol
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-13 20:22:04 UTC
Oracle, looks fracking awesum.
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2011-12-13 21:31:06 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Oracle, looks fracking awesum.

First time I saw one used was when I was a member of the Blue Republic. A Red Fed Kessie landed on Autaris HQ and before he could dock he was Alpha'd by a Tach Oracle. Same Pilot got a Thrasher in two shots the same way. Then a Noob Ship warped right next to him and he bolted like a bat out of hell. He could not hit it with his beams and figured it was a warp in for a Red Fed Fleet that would instapop him before we could counter warp to him.

I got my first Red Fed Nado kill that day on a large Battlecruiser heavy station fight we lost a couple too a Naga and Oracle. Two Red Nado's were instapoping frigs off the Vellaine Gate. I saw about 8-12 of them that day.

I figured I would not see them in RvB because of all the T1 Frig / Ceptor Tackle but they are going strong in Frig Alpha Set-ups and Battlecruiser Gang DPS Ships.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2011-12-13 21:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I hate these forums so much...

Oh well bright side is you get double the Alara at no extra cost. =/
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
The Phoenix Aberration
#7 - 2011-12-14 00:01:42 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I hate these forums so much...

Oh well bright side is you get double the Alara at no extra cost. =/


What a deal!



I think the nado and oracle are both fine vessels, but a 1400 artymado is just disgusting. I popped a mwding slicer @60km on the 3rd volley (first two barely touched it) with titanium sabot. That sealed the deal for me.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

Daniel L'Siata
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#8 - 2011-12-14 00:16:59 UTC
They're both scary as hell, you got it right on the Alpha/DPS differential as well by the way.

One other thing to keep in mind is that your standard Tachyoracle fit will also be marginally slower and considerably less tanked in a full DPS setup.

Also, has anyone else found the cap life on these things to be absurd?
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2011-12-14 00:50:44 UTC
The Oracle imo is ridiculous. I'd have to eft warrior but I believe you can mount 8 tachs, tackle and dual rep. Tch IIs with BC5 and Controlled bursts 5 nets you 1.2 cap cost guns. Also it can mount similar firepower to a marauder.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-14 01:32:48 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
The Oracle imo is ridiculous. I'd have to eft warrior but I believe you can mount 8 tachs, tackle and dual rep. Tch IIs with BC5 and Controlled bursts 5 nets you 1.2 cap cost guns. Also it can mount similar firepower to a marauder.


Gawd. If you are using Tachs, why would you even need or want tackle?

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2011-12-14 02:33:57 UTC
Point counts as tackle in my book. You only get a 35km optimal or so an overloaded disrupter 4tw.

Albeit I'm not really pvp expeirienced and am totally EFT Warrioring. So there is that.
Onictus
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-12-14 09:09:54 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
Point counts as tackle in my book. You only get a 35km optimal or so an overloaded disrupter 4tw.

Albeit I'm not really pvp expeirienced and am totally EFT Warrioring. So there is that.



Usually don't bother with tackle on the tier threes.

1) If you are in point range it takes some relatively fancy flying to hit anything
2) Their tank sucks, and its like a ceptor or vaga with the MWD off......free KM
3) You only buffer tank them for the logi to give you a chance to warp the hell off the field if you get primaried.

You would be amazed how fast 15-20 Oracles melts down a carrier though, its seriously WTF DPS.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-01-19 01:22:40 UTC
Yup, in longer engagements where DPS matters over Alpha, the Oracle wins. I'll also call it a winner in shooting POCOs. No reload time wins the day!

I've seen a lot of Talos end up as top damage on small medium engagements as well because of their overwhelming DPS at close range.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Cyzlaki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-19 01:44:30 UTC
Oracle because it wins in range and tracking mainly

Oh and I ******* love the sound of mega pulse

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Khrage
#15 - 2012-01-19 05:23:16 UTC
Cyzlaki wrote:
Oracle because it wins in range and tracking mainly

Oh and I ******* love the sound of mega pulse

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


yes!

i used to be in love with the old tachyons before the updated turret effects, unfortunately haven't had the chance to see the new ones, but i heard it's not as epic, since the old ones had epic muzzle flare, could actually all fire at once, etc.
Palladias
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-01-19 05:52:28 UTC
I've been flying oracles in gangs more recently where I used to fly the harb. Definitely a very good ship. Also, plated bait oracle is funny as hell, although smarter frig pilots are too wise for it at this point.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
#17 - 2012-01-19 18:17:56 UTC
I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its:
- Faster
- Better tracking
- Num mids >= 4

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-01-19 20:13:43 UTC
Tornado: better alpha (passive targeter + 1400s + speedy ship = win?), quite workable with meta4 guns.
Oracle: better DPS, but you need T2 lasers (esp. in pulse fits) to get full performance out of it.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-01-19 20:25:36 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I looked at this last night and I feel that the Tornado wins because its:
- Faster
- Better tracking
- Num mids >= 4

-Liang


Yes, but the Oracle is far sexier.

I'm back!

Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-01-19 20:45:54 UTC
well by the time this post got rezzed, I trained T2 large pulse lasers to 4.

My setup that's currently working is 535 DPS and 2714 Alpha at 58 km with tracking of .037.

My buddy runs an alpha Nado that does 649 DPS and 10761 Alpha at 15+53 KM and a tracking of .023

For me, I always wanna do my best deeps, and I think the Oracle does that better at a farther range. However, if you absolutely positively have to get that falcon or blackbird down with 1 shot, then look no further than the Nado.

Alphawtfpwning a Falcon

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

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