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[LOAN] 1 Billion, 3 Months, 5% per month (Possible Collateral)

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De Guillaume
THORN Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#21 - 2011-12-14 22:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: De Guillaume
your dammed if you do and dammed if you don'y

you told people whats ur business is and they poke holes at it and make fun of it. if you then don't tell people what ur plans are they call u a scammer

basic point is. ur offering 150m isk for 3 months, thats a dam long time

so i think its within the right of the person loaning u the money to make some demands that could possible benefit them or benefit u if ur wrong and prices falls.

so i would take their offers.


and just because i am a bit stupid. i am going to spend 2b on what u planned on doing and will update u if i make a profit or a loss. Twisted

Has you ever went so far as chose to go even use want to look more like do?

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#22 - 2011-12-14 23:10:20 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
Esan, what valuation would I get for existing stock if I am using it as collateral?
Are you willing to go with current market price?
Also, are you willing to do this through a third party (they hold the stock)?


Sleekman, I'm satisfied with 100% market value of whatever you decide to use as initial collateral. Anything from minerals to BPOs will do.

You may swap this collateral for your acquired stock of implants at any time during the life of this loan, the valuation of those implants to be determined at the time you exercise this option. Should you exercise this option, the original valuation of the initial collateral will be used, which is 1 Billion ISK.

I will select a 3rd party, which you will have the right to reject for good cause, and I will cover 100% of their fees.

The only risks are:

1) 3rd party absconds with the collateral. This is unlikely, but in such a case I will accept 100% of the loss and forfeit my investment. You will still owe me the interest, however.

2) The value of the implants drops. If that happens, and you exercised your option to exchange the initial collateral for the implants as collateral, then you may exercise your secondary option of having the 3rd party hand me the devalued implants rather than my initial investment at the end of the investment term. You will still owe me the interest, however.

These are the final terms.

***

To those of you attacking Sleekman, grow up, or move along. I'm losing respect for some of you.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#23 - 2011-12-14 23:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: OllieNorth
My intention was not to attack, I merely was trying to help by pointing out what I saw as flaws in the offering. If this wasn't directed at me, then disregard.

Sleekman: Esan's offer seems to be pretty solid, I would recommend taking him up on it, he gives you some pretty decent escape hatches.

Heck, I'm willing to act as third party if you don't want Lauren. It'd be a new thing for me, but I'd like to give it a try. Either way, good luck.

PS: I will give you my usual advice: don't get noticeably upset on the forums, it does no good and undermines confidence.

Edit: As far as the percentage return being usurious by RL standards, yes, it is. On the other hand, RL has safeguards built in to give you recourse in the event of a scam. There are no such avenues in EVE, as a result, higher risk, necessitating higher returns.
Sleekman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-15 06:12:44 UTC
Esan, I would like to take you up on your offer, name your third party.
I will make it easier by just starting with market value implants as collateral instead of worrying about this exchange thing.
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#25 - 2011-12-15 06:43:17 UTC
Yes I was "attacking" Mr. Sleekman.

My point being, to use a real life example as he seems fond of.

If you go to the bank and asking for a loan, barging in there without no prior history and your middle finger raised asking the employees if they actually know how this work, telling them and trying to dictate the terms. At the same time being quite open about that your main concern is them stealing from you.
It might not go as well as it turns out in here, just saying...
Sometimes it pays of to be humble when begging for other peoples stuff.

@ ESAN

He said it was a 5% no collateral loan, thus implying he expect a lower interest if collateral is given.

If I have understood this correctly.
For this now you have taken ALL the risk, going from the third party to the market dropping, is this correct?

Following your investment strategy, I have billions tied up in PI materials.
Cant I just insure todays value of the PI with you at a 5% monthly fee, and if the market drops you pick up the loss?
And you pay the third party also btw..

Well I do think this is one of the best deals that can be made in here, Congrats to Sleekman!

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#26 - 2011-12-15 16:09:45 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
Esan, I would like to take you up on your offer, name your third party.
I will make it easier by just starting with market value implants as collateral instead of worrying about this exchange thing.


If you have already acquired 1 billion ISK worth of these implants, then that's perfectly acceptable. I will contact a 3rd party today and have them contact you with the request for a specific number of implants, which you may accept or refuse. Should you refuse, please contact me.

@ TOM

The probability of PI materials dropping in value is significantly higher than with these implants. Thus, if you wanted to hedge your stocks of PI materials by using them as collateral for a loan with me, I would revise the monthly interest rate upward to compensate, and you would be free to accept of reject that revised offer. Please don't make the mistake of thinking that I haven't considered the risks involved. This is a transaction that shifts 100% of the "trust" factor away from Sleekman, making him just as reliable a customer as Chribba himself would be. You clearly have never worked in a bank if you think that serious clients walk into a loan manager's office bowing with hat in hand. You give the man his loan if the reward outweighs the risk, and you smile doing it.

So, was your inquiry about PI materials serious, or were you trying to make some sort of point?
Shar Tegral
#27 - 2011-12-15 21:06:12 UTC
I've been retained as 3rd party collateral holder in this matter.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#28 - 2011-12-15 22:00:34 UTC
Thank you Shar.

Sleekman, I'm willing to peg current value of the implants @ 40m per unit, despite the price having already climbed somewhat.

You're going to make a lot of money, and I'm happy to finance your efforts.

At your earliest convenience, please contract 25 implants as collateral to Shar Tegral from an accessible highsec station, and I will wire the funds to her in the next few hours.
Sleekman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-12-17 03:34:09 UTC
I have a concern about using Shar, why does it only cost 1 million isk?
Who does anything this valuable in eve for 1 million isk? For the time involved, you could make 5-10m isk just shooting rats.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#30 - 2011-12-17 07:19:35 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
I have a concern about using Shar, why does it only cost 1 million isk?
Who does anything this valuable in eve for 1 million isk? For the time involved, you could make 5-10m isk just shooting rats.


Pay Chribba 300million then...........You can't win.

Damn nature, you scary!

Shar Tegral
#31 - 2011-12-17 10:20:26 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
I have a concern about using Shar, why does it only cost 1 million isk?
Who does anything this valuable in eve for 1 million isk? For the time involved, you could make 5-10m isk just shooting rats.
You are worried because I'm affordable? That's a new one to me.

Answer:

I'm affordable because I would never make a living (Eve) wage doing this. I have never made a living wage doing this. So why bother trying now. That being said, this lets me meet new people all the time. And, truth be told, there really is not that much time invested in this on my side of the transaction. I read evemail, I respond to evemail, I put some stuff away in a can, I deliver can to A or B after such and such date. The drain upon my time and energy is enormous but somehow I do it with a smile.

So, hate to be blunt, but I take it you find me unsuitable to the task?
flakeys
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-12-17 10:35:02 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
I have a concern about using Shar, why does it only cost 1 million isk?
Who does anything this valuable in eve for 1 million isk? For the time involved, you could make 5-10m isk just shooting rats.



Small anekdote wich the signature guys got yesterday:



So i am bored shitless in eve , subbed till 2014 tons of isk doing nothing most old friends leaving or left the game.Basically no goal at all in eve yet i don't want to leave it permenantly.

So there i am , i could hand out free isk but i never liked that since you encourage the lazy even more so the idea came up why not offer my help to others instead.I got a few toons wich can do some industry , lill research and needless to say i have some trade experience.So i venture into the dark world called alliance and corp recruitment looking for some mid sized industry corp.

After having talked with about 10 different corps throughout the evening i had what i came with , a good will to help out others without wanting ANYTHING for myself and no one to take the offer.

Just log in , ask what i can do to help out industry wise and do that ... not one recruiter understood what i wanted.'But what do you want from us?' - nothing - 'So you want to have a percent of the sales?' - nope i want nothing , etcetera.And when they finally understood that i did not want any iskgain for myself and just wanted to help they either didn't believe me or said they did not need help.

Showing good faith and willingness to help others in an online game is harder believe then it is in the reall world , go figure.

Still lesson learned , subbed till 2050 soontm Blink.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Shar Tegral
#33 - 2011-12-17 11:03:41 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Showing good faith and willingness to help others in an online game is harder believe then it is in the reall world , go figure.
Indeed.

I spend Sunday in church, Mon-Friday working at either the ReStore or visiting churches in my capacity as a Habitat for Humanity Faith Relations coordinator, then Saturday building houses. If you're on my facebook, you regularly see pictures of me or taken by me of all this.

Which boils down to this: At some point you become isk independent. I am and I'm not. I've got stuffs, but little isk. I unload every so often to buy plex. I then coast until the next unload time. I've got enough crap that I'll be here when they shut the servers down.

I don't have time for people who want free stuff.
In game or out of game.

While a pittance fee is a pittance, the word fee weeds out the undesirables.
Sleekman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-12-17 17:29:38 UTC
I talked to Esan, everything is a go using Shar, the contract was put up yesterday to complete the transaction.
Shar Tegral
#35 - 2011-12-17 18:02:02 UTC
Sleekman wrote:
I talked to Esan, everything is a go using Shar, the contract was put up yesterday to complete the transaction.
25 Implants received, 1 billion handed over.

See you all in a few months.
Shar Tegral
#36 - 2012-03-10 13:02:45 UTC
One week left.
Shar Tegral
#37 - 2012-03-26 17:32:53 UTC
Loan is in default despite multiple attempts at communication.
Collateral turned over to underwriter.

Defaulter: Sleekman
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#38 - 2012-04-27 19:20:23 UTC
Confirming that after initial communication indicated that the Defaulter wished to exercise his entirely reasonable option to relinquish his rights to the collateral, all further attempts to collect on the payable interest amount of 150 million ISK have failed.

Defaulter is hereby red-listed by Samarkand Financial, and thus the entire Khanid Trade Syndicate.

Loss of the 150m in budgeted revenue has been posted to SMKD's ledger, and collateral has been registered as an asset in our long-term investment division.
Trader Kiai
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-29 17:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Trader Kiai
there is money on the ca 1/2 but most ppl will just do this them selfs
150m is lol for 3 mo can make that in 1 day

Here's how I think of my money -- as soldiers -- I send them out to war everyday. I want them to take prisoners and come home, so there's more of them." - Kevin O'Leary/Shark Tank (TV series)

Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-04-29 19:32:13 UTC
Trader Kiai wrote:
there is money on the ca 1/2 but most ppl will just do this them selfs
150m is lol for 3 mo can make that in 1 day


I think the issue isn't how much one makes in a day, but how much one can make in a day with that amount of money.

That being said, 5%/month on 1bil is horrible.
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