Science & Industry

First off, sorry if this isn't the most ideal forum. I couldn't decide if Features and Ideas or Crime and Punishment or General Discussion or here would be best... so I went with here, since this is mostly just a joke for industrialists :)



I'd like to see two new mechanics brought into the game in order to achieve some more parity between 1) players who wish to fight with players who do not wish to fight and 2) the players who do not wish to fight.

Ore Requisitions: they'd basically be the industrialist version of a war declaration. Where a war dec grants a group of PVP players the chance to get the fights they crave at the expense of their targets' desire to not have fights, an Ore Requisition would grant a group of PVE players the chance to ruin the fun of a PVP group so that they can mine in relatively more safe conditions! Corp/alliance capsuleers subject to an active Ore Req would be unable to pilot any ship except for mining or industrial ships for the duration of the Ore Req. I would even be amenable to an early-cancellation mechanic on the Ore Reqs so that we don't upset the PVP folk too much: if they want the Ore Req to end before the issuer stops paying the isk upkeep cost on it, they simply need to mine an astronomical number of m3 of ore and give them to the NPC Requisition Officer.

PLEX Shields: PVP players can buy PLEX with RL money, then sell the PLEX ingame to get the isk that's essentially necessary to PVP... all without ever needing to do the PVE they loathe. So I propose that PVE players be able to buy PLEX with RL money, then turn in the PLEX ingame to achieve immunity to non-consenual PVP... thereby granting them the ability to PVE without any of the PVP they loathe.


Fair's fair, after all. And CCP gets more people buying PLEX and increased supply of PLEX ingame to boot!

PLEX shields need to function everywhere. Ore Reqs yeah, would only make sense in high sec where Concord is around to ensure those dirty PVPers aren't trying to sneak out of stations in combat ships before they fill their ore m3 quota.

Welcome to the party.

That's the response I expected, including the part where you included no explanation as to why systems that benefit PVE players in almost the exact ways that existing mechanics benefit PVP players shouldn't be allowed.

Yes, yes, yes. I know Eve is a PVP game. But it's not just a PVP game. It's not a WoW arena or match of CSS or Diablo 2 duel outside of Tristram. People PVP over PVE. They PVP to get territory to PVE in, to take it away from their opponents, to blow up the shiny stuff the other guy has that wouldn't exist but for the PVE. This is what makes Eve grander and more "meaningful" ... the fact that it isn't JUST about bragging rights and killboards, but also about controlling the resources necessary to even engage in PVP that consist of more than noob ships and civilian modules.

I'm not arguing Eve should be safe. I'm pointing out some big disparities between the playstyles in Eve, despite the fact that the game would die if it lacked either of them, despite the fact that there are more characters mining, ratting, hacking, playing station games than PVPing every single day, etc.

I AM doing it in a pretty tongue-in-cheeck way, too, as I stated before. I do not, in fact, need you to try to educate me on NPC corps, mining safety, what Concord is, or anything else

yet you're proposing two different mechanics to make it *safe*?



So why limit people's opportunities to engage in PvP by introducing mechanics that are deliberately and specifically designed to let people avoid PvP?

First of all, the distinction between "PvE players" and "PvP players" does not actually exist in the game. It exists only on the forum, and then, generally only when dreamt into existence when a self-described "PvE player" is mad about PvP happening.

On Sunday I caught my neighbor taking down a pos. He foolishly offlined the tower before removing all of the ships. I podded in, took his bomber, and started shooting him. He got away (because the jerk didn't fit a point on his bomber), but I hung out and stole his control tower. Am I PvP player?

Today, I did a couple of Frostline sites and fiddled about with some PI setups. Am I a PvE player?

Which is it?

You are free to do whatever the game rules allow. If the scope of that is limited to PvE activities, knock your socks off. Nobody cares, least of all the people you're describing as "PvP players". One thing the rules do not allow is opting out of PvP, short of remaining docked.


Secondly, any miner who thinks people who gank miners are "the enemy" is an incompetent lackwit. Avoiding ganks is trivially easy. All you have to do is set yourself up so that *you* don't get ganked. The miners who are getting ganked? Yeah, those are your competition.

If they get ganked and you don't, guess who wins? Guess who directly benefits from those other dead miners?

You, dummy. Build them a nice new barge - not a procurer - with the minerals you mined while they were getting slaughtered. Tell them what a shame it is and suggest a nice maximum yield fit (to make up for all the time they lost while they were getting ganked, of course).

It's not a "thing" at all. Everyone is a PvP player. Some of them like to do PvE things, which makes them PvP players who like to do PvE things. They don't get special anti-PvP privileges for merely having a preference.


This is like going to a vegan restaurant and then filling out a comment card to suggest that, perhaps they should add a steak or a real-deal hamburger to the menu because not everyone enjoys bean-curd based facsimiles.

They are PvP players by virtue of the fact that they are playing Eve, which is not a PvP optional game.

Nothing in the game happens in a vacuum. Your "PvE players" are market competition. They should be able to just loaf about, safe from harm, purely on a whim while they run the ISK and item faucets? Nope. Not happening. Get over it or find a different game.

Eve is a game which relies on conflict, be it on the market or the battlefield. You are like the helicopter mom who wants everybody to eat vegan because HER kid is raised vegan and shouldn't feel excluded.