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What if CCP removed the 30-day trial?
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William Husker Adama
Voyager Syndicate
#1 - 2015-12-16 12:20:32 UTC
... and people could play with a restricted account indefinitely.

This is just my opinion but I think it would increase the playerbase. Seeing as EVE is all about the players creating content with eachother, that might improve the game experience. If the game experience improves, more people are likely to play the game and subscribe.

For example, CCP could create a Basic Pilot's License and an Advanced Pilot's License.

The Advanced Pilot's License would be based on PLEX and subscriptions and would enable players to train any skill and fly any ship and use any module they are skilled for. Basically removing any restrictions on the account, so it would be like a normal subbed account today.

The Basic Pilot's License would be free but only allow players to fly T1 non-faction ships with T1 non-faction mods and have other restrictions associated with trial accounts, including the ability to only use one account when logged into a basic account, to prevent multiboxing with free accounts. So if your sub runs out you can still play EVE, albeit in a limited capacity.

I think this would positively affect CCP's revenue as well, although I obviously have no data to prove it. But if more people play the game, then more people are likely to upgrade to a subscription to be able to fly the cooler T2/T3/Faction ships.

Just my 2 ISK.
Anthar Thebess
#2 - 2015-12-16 13:05:39 UTC
I'm fine with 'Basic' Plex that will :
- don't allow to use cloack
- use any thing better than T1 frigate / T1 indy ( faction versions included )
- get lvl 4 missions (damn burners)
- light a cyno
- have more than 5 active trade orders
- contracts forbidden
- talking on local forbidden if local > 50 ppl
- deploy and operate any equipment ( like a POCO or POS)
- have more than 1 account logged in
- take 'pirate' action of any kind to another player in higsec
- train skills in char have over 1.5 mil SP ( current trial blockade on skills active)


In this form CCP should try to get more players.
Of course this could be a test run , by introducing first limited offer for new players.
This kind of account can be created (example) from 01/jan - 01/feb and will expire ( if not subscribed) at 01/april

Current server capacity is more than enough to get this new players.
If this succeed then CCP can prolong this accounts and program, if it fail , well accounts will expire and servers currently not running at max power so costs will be not much bigger.

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2015-12-16 13:17:02 UTC
yet another f2p thread...do a search this gets discussed everyday

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Anthar Thebess
#4 - 2015-12-16 13:28:10 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
yet another f2p thread...do a search this gets discussed everyday

Well world have changed.
From my perspective flying on 1 account in a frigate is not an option - but if we can get new players this way - why not.
Servers can easily go around 50-60k online.
Each new player will generate some movement or content for someone else, more players is more things to shoot , so resubs will be a thing.

CCP just need to define restrictions , and thats it.

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Lan Wang
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OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2015-12-16 13:45:00 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
yet another f2p thread...do a search this gets discussed everyday

Well world have changed.
From my perspective flying on 1 account in a frigate is not an option - but if we can get new players this way - why not.
Servers can easily go around 50-60k online.
Each new player will generate some movement or content for someone else, more players is more things to shoot , so resubs will be a thing.

CCP just need to define restrictions , and thats it.


whats wrong with the current model? i dont see how t1 frigates with t1 mods will encourage people to play the game, i think faction warfare has enough t1 bot frigates roaming around farming lp

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-12-16 14:06:35 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
CCP just need to define restrictions , and thats it.

Bad idea this F2P crap.
Having players online that are not paying for their subscription does not help CCP pay for devs, new servers etc so what advantage is there to CCP?

And I wonder how long these limited F2P members would stay in the game anyway when EVERYONE they come up against kills them without even really trying simply because of the differences in the abilities of their ships?

To me a better idea than F2P would be something like this.
You get 30 days free with all the current restrictions in place.
After that 30 days you have a once per person option to buy a 30 day plex for half price.
This gives them 30 days to play for free to get used to the basics of the game, and 30 days at a reduced rate to give them just a little more time to explore what being a subscription paying player adds to the game.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#7 - 2015-12-16 14:13:18 UTC
Alts are already why we can't have nice things. Lets not make that worse.
Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2015-12-16 14:22:37 UTC
Alts are not a problem when people login all of them at the same time.
You can run only one 'Basic' Plex account , it can be also limited to 1 character that can be active ( so first character on the account can be logged.
Give this accounts possibility to buy plex from CCP , and forbid them from better income sources , like this accounts cannot join FW.
People will not use this characters if they have other account subscribed.
For sure there will be many people on this accounts that will buy plex and enjoy 700 frigates that they can lose.
This is not perfect solution , but times are changing.
As for concern about players leaving , as they are farmed by people in better ships - eve is about skills, and if someone will be angry that he lose a ship to often , he will not play eve and pay for a subscription.

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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#9 - 2015-12-16 14:26:26 UTC
Imagine a guy using a program that synchs up 50 accounts to the same input, Yoloing everyone in newbie frigates, all the live long day...
Anthar Thebess
#10 - 2015-12-16 14:33:22 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Imagine a guy using a program that synchs up 50 accounts to the same input, Yoloing everyone in newbie frigates, all the live long day...

You only can login 1 (again ONE) 'Basic Plex' account, there is no way to run 2 accounts where one is normal other basic, trial etc.

Yes you can try to overcome this by more PC, virtual machines , etc but it consumes resources and you cannot multibox this properly.
Maybe CCP can also restrict 1 basic account from specific IP.

Just to be clear. If you login to trial account you cannot login to any other.

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Lan Wang
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OnlyFleets.
#11 - 2015-12-16 14:51:56 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Alts are not a problem when people login all of them at the same time.
You can run only one 'Basic' Plex account , it can be also limited to 1 character that can be active ( so first character on the account can be logged.
Give this accounts possibility to buy plex from CCP , and forbid them from better income sources , like this accounts cannot join FW.
People will not use this characters if they have other account subscribed.
For sure there will be many people on this accounts that will buy plex and enjoy 700 frigates that they can lose.
This is not perfect solution , but times are changing.
As for concern about players leaving , as they are farmed by people in better ships - eve is about skills, and if someone will be angry that he lose a ship to often , he will not play eve and pay for a subscription.


so whats the point in this again? cant actually do anything in the game

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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#12 - 2015-12-16 14:53:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Voidstar
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Imagine a guy using a program that synchs up 50 accounts to the same input, Yoloing everyone in newbie frigates, all the live long day...

You only can login 1 (again ONE) 'Basic Plex' account, there is no way to run 2 accounts where one is normal other basic, trial etc.

Yes you can try to overcome this by more PC, virtual machines , etc but it consumes resources and you cannot multibox this properly.
Maybe CCP can also restrict 1 basic account from specific IP.

Just to be clear. If you login to trial account you cannot login to any other.


How do you plan to enforce that? Just start 50 clients. You do know what a thin client is, right?
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#13 - 2015-12-16 14:56:18 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
I'm fine with 'Basic' Plex that will :
- don't allow to use cloack
- use any thing better than T1 frigate / T1 indy ( faction versions included )
- get lvl 4 missions (damn burners)
- light a cyno
- have more than 5 active trade orders
- contracts forbidden
- talking on local forbidden if local > 50 ppl
- deploy and operate any equipment ( like a POCO or POS)
- have more than 1 account logged in
- take 'pirate' action of any kind to another player in higsec
- train skills in char have over 1.5 mil SP ( current trial blockade on skills active)


In this form CCP should try to get more players.


Well they won't will they?

Since you can already do far more than is on your list on the current trial account - things like fly a battleship, have 20 market orders, chat as much as you like in local etc
Anthar Thebess
#14 - 2015-12-16 15:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Lan Wang wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Alts are not a problem when people login all of them at the same time.
You can run only one 'Basic' Plex account , it can be also limited to 1 character that can be active ( so first character on the account can be logged.
Give this accounts possibility to buy plex from CCP , and forbid them from better income sources , like this accounts cannot join FW.
People will not use this characters if they have other account subscribed.
For sure there will be many people on this accounts that will buy plex and enjoy 700 frigates that they can lose.
This is not perfect solution , but times are changing.
As for concern about players leaving , as they are farmed by people in better ships - eve is about skills, and if someone will be angry that he lose a ship to often , he will not play eve and pay for a subscription.


so whats the point in this again? cant actually do anything in the game


You can do lvl 1-3 missions ( if you will be able in a frigate)
OR
You can mine in a venture.
OR
You can have fun times doing exploration
OR
You can go roaming in lowsec/nullsec.

Let say that you can train up to 1.5mil SP in this basic account , and you can use all non trial restricted skills.
Then you need to buy 3-4 month subscription for skilling up something different then go again to Basic mode.

This way you can have 4-5 million sp character that can do multiple things - but yes overall it will be limited - but this is the whole goal of it.


Remember that this people will buy skins , ships, fittings from the market using isk they slowly farm, or maybe by selling a plex.
They can provide some income to CCP.
Balance must be keep in order for other players to keep subscription running - forbidding to use ANY T2 module or ship is very simple solution.

Faction / story line equipment is more expensive , but can allow someone to have covert (and very expensive to fit ) astero


Paul Pohl wrote:


Well they won't will they?

Since you can already do far more than is on your list on the current trial account - things like fly a battleship, have 20 market orders, chat as much as you like in local etc

This can be changed easily - non subscribed accounts expire - so they are not the problem.
Basic plex users can chat on local, local limit this is just to block jita spamers abuse, it can be much higher 200 ppl?

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Lan Wang
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OnlyFleets.
#15 - 2015-12-16 15:16:10 UTC
so basically you can mine because you aint doing lvl 3's in an atron

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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#16 - 2015-12-16 15:16:45 UTC
It still doesn't address, why anyone having gone through the 30 day trial would sign up for you imaginary 'basic plex', that stops them using the ships and skills they have acquired in the past 30 days of playing - seemingly because you have decided what they can and can't do - which includes scamming.

I'm ambivalent about the OP's suggestion, since I suspect it will cause more problems than it solves (namely free alts for existing players) - but at least let's address the issue on some basis of reality
Anthar Thebess
#17 - 2015-12-16 15:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Paul Pohl wrote:
It still doesn't address, why anyone having gone through the 30 day trial would sign up for you imaginary 'basic plex', that stops them using the ships and skills they have acquired in the past 30 days of playing - seemingly because you have decided what they can and can't do - which includes scamming.

I'm ambivalent about the OP's suggestion, since I suspect it will cause more problems than it solves (namely free alts for existing players) - but at least let's address the issue on some basis of reality


Trial - you can try more things, to see what you can like.
Basic Plex - limited , free account.

For me , every subscribed account that will run out of subscription will go to Basic mode.
You can have there 3 characters , each over 200mil sp , but you can login only to the first character on the account.
Even that you have skills ( and ship ) to fly a Titan , you cannot do it.
You cannot undock in a T2 ship, or T2 module fitted.

If you logged out in T2 ship, all modules on it become offline, etc etc.

This will make many people to do 'comeback' to check what is happening, i assume that many of them will be pulled back to game , or many people will want to do simply more.

Yes there will be separate group of players that will just fly T1 frigates , mine in ventures - but this is ok , as long as player base and income will be better than now , it will be good for the game and CCP.


Imagine what will happen if all retired EVE players get info that their account is now basic , they can login and play.

This Basic accounts don't have to be permanent also.

Let assume that CCP states each month if Basic accounts can be active next month, or for the next 3 months.
This way they can be disabled at any point.

The same rule can apply to login ability , so subscribed players will not have the problem do do it .

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#18 - 2015-12-16 15:38:51 UTC
Just to make things clear, CCP *DID* remove 30-day trials, we are back to 21-day trials as it was in the olden days.

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Anthar Thebess
#19 - 2015-12-16 15:41:35 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Just to make things clear, CCP *DID* remove 30-day trials, we are back to 21-day trials as it was in the olden days.

This is clear.
Conversation is about totally different things, but don't worry CCP will (sadly) never go in this direction.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2015-12-16 15:47:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
As before, my opinion on this is an emphatic "No."

- it allows for people to essentially create infinite alt characters
(banning based on IP-address is a non-starter because it is not reliable and it pretty much outright bans college-dorm dwelling players and multi-EVE playing households)
(having the client locked to a one "free" account at any given time can be easily gotten around with a simple crack. And given the potentially limitless rewards for doing so, I'd imagine many people would do it).

- there are a plethora of activities you can perform in EVE with minimal skills. Mining, exploring, trading, scouting, etc. Once players find out that, most of the time, skillpoints are functionally a "nice to have" sort of thing, the odds of them subbing in any long term way will radically go down.

- you are falling for the classic folly of "well, as long as we have more people it will all be better and justify everything."
Quality > Quantity
MacDonalds serves more people per month than any Mom and Pop places do in a year. Yet I find that the burger place down the street is VASTLY superior to MacDonalds. And I don't get no happy meals or toys.

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