Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you want to make semi-AFk mining into real AFk mining with a sort of mining outpost that mines when there is no player around....

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If you don't like mining, stop.

Simple.

i really dont see you fix. you make people shift from mining barges to industrial transports. and the whole idea of mining while not even logged in just seems plain wrong to me. yes you need to protect it. you forget that in wormhole or null space there are systems where 10 people visit in an entire day. it would just be total AFK mining. its basicly a mining moon you visit once a week, hoping its full and not blown up.

sorry but still -1

It's called Planetary Interaction.

Make it Go.
Offload the cargo.

if it doesnt provide decent yield there is no point in using it.

secondly, asteroids respawn afaik. anchoring them right makes them a permanent miner. to counter this it would need to have a small orehold/cargobay which means instead of mining in a barge you switch to a hauler and unload the dam thing every 5 minutes.

so it either is gonna be a afk god miner or it would have the same problem as barges have[/quote]

It will have a point to use it, it a supplement system, not a system design to take it over. You do know what supplement systems mean right?

It the core concept, or idea that such and such thing will provide assistance, with a stronger base element. You claim it will be the new AFK miner, or it won't be used at all. I'm here to tell you that you are wrong in your entire line of thinking.

When you have a microbase like that, specialized in providing assistance to mining, it can do more then just mining. Alone, it will never output enough minerals to out do a even small gang. However it can provide assistance geared to miners, and transporters.

It can hold minerals that other miners mine for those that simply don't have the money or logistics to afford an orca. It allows for smaller gangs to work to have another avenue of assistance, specially with the whole links receiving range nerfs, (resulting in people unable to sit their roquals or orcas in a pos and provide immune boosts) not only that, but the idea of looking into provide other assistances as well, like a small crystal bay to hold different mining crystals. Then you also have the ore bay to hold ore that not only the small outpost mines, but also other members mine and dump into it. Alone this thing might not seem all that good, used to assist a small gang, and it might turn into a god send.

I did a simple search and didn't find any other suggested based on that.

Also Isk is not and shall never be a balancing focal point. I told you what balances it, is that even a small gang will have better efficiency then this thing. It more design as a supplement system not as a system that takes over mining operations. what I'm suggesting is allowing for more ways for more people to get into the mining system without having to train up an alt dedicated purely to mining. this creates competition, and in turn, more opportunities.

Actually to answer the skill training, the mining base is operating the drones not you, each size base should have it own flat bonus, that is not augmented by the drop user, so the only thing they need to train are skills related to deployables. After all you don't need to know how to use tractors to drop a tractor unit.

It won't replace an orca because an orca provides things this does not. Some of those features includes a corp hanger, links, and scanning abilities. The deploy-able does not, it simply it set up, you set it to have a system that lets it prioritize different rocks, and then it does it work. It doesn't provide any bonuses or receive any bonuses from links or other such things. That however is the mining side of things. On the flip side of things, a small would of course be hell of a lot cheaper then an orca, when it comes to manufacturing costs. The same can be said for the medium. A large however would start to push the manufacturing costs to rival an orca, so roughly equivalent. (And when I say manufacturing cost, I'm talking about how much ore and ore types it takes to make these things)

As for potential abuse, potential abuse is high on every suggestion, which is why instead of making two line response saying it bad -1, you say why it bad, how you might think it can be improved. Hell, offer your own suggestion. I'm not the type of person that will say "NO THIS IS MY IDEA GET OUT."

The idea is simple, ways to improve the mining experience, Because to be honest, it rather ******* poor is demonstrated by one guy saying

"If you don't like mining, quit mining."

That is a poor way to look at a mechanic. I simply want to improve it, so please. Tell me, what potential avenues of abuse do you for see and maybe together, or by myself, which ever you wish to pick, we can puzzle out a way to prevent said abuse.

But that the whole point of the structure! It allows other people to be attracted top it! If you can't defend your stuff, then it will be destroyed or taken over! not only that but seeing a deploy able structure just like that of the mobile depot it will have a reinforce timer, which will give people time to at the very least see what going on with their structure when it starts to scream that it under attack! And when reinforced, it basically useless till it brought back into operational use, and people can break into it (After a set amount of time of course!) and take it loot. You don't have to defend it 24/7 however I look at this structure as more of a stepping stone. One person is unlikely to go out of their way to own a large one, at most they might own a small one. I small corp might own one or two large and just have fleets check up on it every once in a while, and BIG BIG corps/alliances may use them to mark off operation zones that they want their miners to go to, and at the same time be used as small operation bases as you can deploy other things to complement that mining outpost like a mobile depot so that ships can quickly retrofit if a sign of danger comes by and soforth! Not only that, but unlike Starbases and POSes mobile mining outpost would be a lot more practical to pack up and leave in a hurry if required.

This requires some data and time, so I'll grab some data.

first of all, I would like to point out that the idea is not to make one thing better then another, it to make them on-par with each other so that would be more like side grades then one is better then another.

The hulk alone, can mine at roughly 1784 units of ore per minute. Assume that the pilot A fit his hulk for no tank for that gank, and has level 5 skills.

I opt that the mobile mining outpost runs along that scaling because there are drones involve, the mining efficiency of the mobile mining outpost actually drops off the further away the rock is due to drone travel time. But looking at only output alone I vote that the mining outpost follows this pattern.

Small: Cap drone usage, ten, for roughly 618 units a minute

Medium: Cap drone usage to 15, for roughly 927 units a minute

Large: Cap drone usage to 20, for roughly 1236

As you can see a hulk will still have slightly better potential mining efficiency and rating then even the Large, and that not taking into account of drone travel time. However, one thing that the large will have that is better, and unlike the hulk. A much larger cargo bay.

I took a look at a upgraded/unmodified orca with full character skills and got a reading that 37500 as it max cargobay. I also took a look at tractor units and got this for their cargo bay: 27000 then finally I look at depots which cargo cap is: 3 000, So I decided to scale it based on both the tractor and Depots

The ratio of the cargo split is as follows for all three version 10% of the cargo cap handles things like crystals it basically a dedicated ammo box for miners 40% of the cargo is dedicated to just drones, as this is the mining base's main source of operation, 25% is dedicated to general cargo space, and the other 25% is dedicated to ore space.

Smalls: Work more like player own depots, they are great for a simple player to supplement his mining ability the over all cargo capacity is 6,500

Mediums: These are more for small gangs, not only do they provide a great space to store their ore till their transport can make it back. It also allows for defending ships to quickly retrofit their ships in the event that a threat shows itself. cargo capacity is: 15,350 units

Large: These are mainly only for VERY large mining operations, not only does it supplement a large fleet with mining gear and equipment, as well as a large drone bay in the event that drones are constantly lost to those roaming raiders(Rats) but they can also provide a base of operation for both roaming and stationary defense fleets to kit themselves out to different situation Cargo capacity is: 25,000

As for the price, I simply can't give an answer to that because if this does come out, the market value of isk could change.

What I can suggest is the cost for building one would be similar to other things

Like a Small mining outpost could consume the same amount of mineral and ore that a depot does

A medium could consume the same amount of mineral and ore that a hulk would

and a large would consume the same amount of minera and ore a orca would to produce

The requirements to launch it would be similar to other outposts, a small may only require the anchor level of two but a large would may require an anchor level of four and outpost construction level of three. Of course this is just an example

The HP would be on par of how I did cargo capacity

Small would be depot levels of hp

mediums would be in between depot and a tractor unit

and a Large would be equivalent to a tractor deploy-able


As for solutions to claiming space, I actually have a few of them that when combine might make using it to AFK mine to be difficult. Which in turn means that the owning player(s) are required to at least check up on every few hours or so

First, rats will agro it drones, that right, every once a while rats will spawn around it, and attempt to kill it drones off, which will be fine if it loses two or three, because it does have it own personal drone bay, but after two or three hours of that, you might end up with a mining outpost with no way to mine.

Second: Fuel: Sure I don't mind having to force people to make sure they keep fuel in it, if there not enough fuel it will offline itself and the drones that were flying around in space will disconnect at the time of it went offline. Hell lets add another factor: You have to make sure you have enough strontium in it to last it reinforce timer, or the timer will end early, resulting in a rather abruptly loss mobile mining outpost.

We can have it set up so that the small takes 1 fuel block an hour, the Medium takes 5 fuel blocks an hour and the Large takes 10 fuel blocks an hour (Of course of it respective race, there can be mins, amarr, cals, and gals versions of each outpost if so desired) as for how much strontium it takes per hour to stay in reinforce, well of the same scaling of course!

Small would be: 10 per hour of strontium, Medium would be 50 per hour of Strontium, and large would be 100 per hour of strontium. How does that sound?

Like I said, feel free to make your own suggestion. An idea like this requires more then one pair of eyes looking at it. And it requires input from more then one person. Ideas are not created in a vacuum after all.