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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-12-16 03:03:19 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
And people wonder why we Amarr censor our media.


Because you worry about the free and open exchange of stupidity, of course. Duh.


That's more like it.


Worry is fear.


It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#22 - 2015-12-16 05:04:05 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
And people wonder why we Amarr censor our media.


Because you worry about the free and open exchange of stupidity, of course. Duh.


That's more like it.


Worry is fear.


It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


Semantics!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-12-16 06:37:11 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:


Semantics!


Ho!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#24 - 2015-12-16 06:51:01 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


And anxiety is... "fear or nervousness about what might happen".

So many words for so many different degrees of the same emotion...
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-12-16 07:36:01 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


And anxiety is... "fear or nervousness about what might happen".

So many words for so many different degrees of the same emotion...


You are making it sound like the state of fearfulness and non-fearfulness is binary.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#26 - 2015-12-16 15:47:12 UTC
EXCLAMATION!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#27 - 2015-12-16 17:34:18 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


And anxiety is... "fear or nervousness about what might happen".

So many words for so many different degrees of the same emotion...


You are making it sound like the state of fearfulness and non-fearfulness is binary.


It is. The degree of fear is irrelevant. If there is fear, there is fear. If not, then not. If you don't fear an open exchange of ideas, then you don't fear it. If you worry about it, if you're 'anxious' about what might be said, then yes, you fear it. Just because the idea doesn't leave you huddled in a corner weeping doesn't mean you're not afraid.

We're complex creatures, with complex emotional states. Existence or non-existence, however, is binary. Either something is, or it isn't. There's no 'well, this is only half-real'. Half-real or 'this is sorta that' means it's not that. Either it is, or it isn't.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2015-12-16 18:32:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


And anxiety is... "fear or nervousness about what might happen".

So many words for so many different degrees of the same emotion...


You are making it sound like the state of fearfulness and non-fearfulness is binary.


It is. The degree of fear is irrelevant. If there is fear, there is fear. If not, then not. If you don't fear an open exchange of ideas, then you don't fear it. If you worry about it, if you're 'anxious' about what might be said, then yes, you fear it. Just because the idea doesn't leave you huddled in a corner weeping doesn't mean you're not afraid.

We're complex creatures, with complex emotional states. Existence or non-existence, however, is binary. Either something is, or it isn't. There's no 'well, this is only half-real'. Half-real or 'this is sorta that' means it's not that. Either it is, or it isn't.
No.

Human beings are not binary, or even trinary, computing devices. And yes, our existence is also relativistic. There are many things "half-real" (take psychosomatics as the most evident example). After our death, we continue to exist. No thing in this world is exactly like another. Reality is infinitely more complex than any mortal mind can even hope to comprehend.

Our Creator gifted us with infinite degrees of freedom. Our emotions are not binary switches in a wetware OS. There is no black and white, there is always a gradient between the two.

Fear is also an emotional gradient. Leave the "mind-killer" propaganda in the briefing room.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2015-12-16 18:41:27 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:


Our Creator gifted us with infinite degrees of freedom. Our emotions are not binary switches in a wetware OS. There is no black and white, there is always a gradient between the two.


As the creator, I could confirm or deny this. I won't, however, because that would spoil the outcome of my experiment here.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#30 - 2015-12-16 20:41:43 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Human beings are not binary, or even trinary, computing devices. And yes, our existence is also relativistic. There are many things "half-real" (take psychosomatics as the most evident example). After our death, we continue to exist. No thing in this world is exactly like another. Reality is infinitely more complex than any mortal mind can even hope to comprehend.


A)Please provide proof that humans continue to exist after death - note that the fact that data can be duplicated to produce serial copies of capsuleer brainstates is proof only that you can be duplicated.

B)Psychosomatic conditions exist in the mind. This does not make them half-real. This makes them mental constructs. It does not impact whether or not they exist. Physicality is not existence - especially when discussing mental or emotional states.

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Our Creator gifted us with infinite degrees of freedom. Our emotions are not binary switches in a wetware OS. There is no black and white, there is always a gradient between the two.


Consider a color palette as a gradient wheel. For the sake of common reference, I'll stipulate actual pigments, not emitted light. (Pigment being additive, light emission being subtractive.) When you are looking at 'purple', you are looking at red and blue in mixture. Both the red and the blue exist, and the proportion in which they exist determines the actual shade you perceive. But at no point do either of them only partially exist.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-12-16 20:58:38 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


I'm more inclined to agree with you.... but I'm not here to argue.

Rather than the erroneous assertion that fear lies in the free exchange of ideals.... It's more accurately a concern that this 'news' has inspired someone to sacrifice 27,500 slave lives in the most horrific manner imaginable.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#32 - 2015-12-16 22:03:20 UTC
And yet someone still seems to ignore that obvious fact and use my point to attack Amarr society as a whole.

Well done Arrendis, unhelpful as usual.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Arrendis
TK Corp
#33 - 2015-12-17 01:47:02 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Well done Arrendis, unhelpful as usual.


Only for you, Aldy baby, only for you.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2015-12-17 02:57:52 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


I'm more inclined to agree with you.... but I'm not here to argue.

Rather than the erroneous assertion that fear lies in the free exchange of ideals.... It's more accurately a concern that this 'news' has inspired someone to sacrifice 27,500 slave lives in the most horrific manner imaginable.


only 27,500? Wow, Naups is normally inspired by his morning eggs and toast to sacrifice no less then 50,000 slaves. Must be a bad piece....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-12-17 04:09:00 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's similar to fear, not 'is' fear. Worry is closer to anxiety.


And anxiety is... "fear or nervousness about what might happen".

So many words for so many different degrees of the same emotion...


You are making it sound like the state of fearfulness and non-fearfulness is binary.


It is. The degree of fear is irrelevant. If there is fear, there is fear. If not, then not. If you don't fear an open exchange of ideas, then you don't fear it. If you worry about it, if you're 'anxious' about what might be said, then yes, you fear it. Just because the idea doesn't leave you huddled in a corner weeping doesn't mean you're not afraid.

We're complex creatures, with complex emotional states. Existence or non-existence, however, is binary. Either something is, or it isn't. There's no 'well, this is only half-real'. Half-real or 'this is sorta that' means it's not that. Either it is, or it isn't.


However, you cannot ignore degrees. Dealing with someone who is 'worried' is very different than dealing with someone who is 'paralyzed with fear'. The guy who is simply worried still has presence of mind to wreck your shite or to withdraw when he identifies that the odds are stacked against him, while the one who is paralyzed with fear can't do squat. Dealing with the worried fellow requires you to set up traps and do a bit of deception and misdirection to make him relax his guard, upon which you can then spring the trap and then kill him. Dealing with the guy who is paralyzed with fear is much simpler.

Ignoring the degrees can very well cost you a ship or perhaps a fleet.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#36 - 2015-12-17 04:22:38 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
However, you cannot ignore degrees. Dealing with someone who is 'worried' is very different than dealing with someone who is 'paralyzed with fear'. The guy who is simply worried still has presence of mind to wreck your shite or to withdraw when he identifies that the odds are stacked against him, while the one who is paralyzed with fear can't do squat. Dealing with the worried fellow requires you to set up traps and do a bit of deception and misdirection to make him relax his guard, upon which you can then spring the trap and then kill him. Dealing with the guy who is paralyzed with fear is much simpler.

Ignoring the degrees can very well cost you a ship or perhaps a fleet.


I completely agree - and at no point have I suggested we should. I simply pointed out that someone attempting to claim 'worry' was somehow not fear was wrong.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2015-12-17 08:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
Arrendis wrote:
B)Psychosomatic conditions exist in the mind. This does not make them half-real. This makes them mental constructs. It does not impact whether or not they exist. Physicality is not existence - especially when discussing mental or emotional states.
If mental constructs do truly exist according to you, then our impressions and memories of other people are also mental constructs that exist, even after the source of those memories is gone. Therefore, dead people keep existing as long as we remember them.

One could argue that the mental constructs that are our memories of people, after being created, exist independently of the source. But it's how we perceive the world as human beings. Everything that our brain registers becomes a mental construct, because we work that way. And so, through our life we walk through a world of our own, that includes shadows of other people that we create in our mind, and after the real people die, their shadows within our personal world still go on.

(Note that I'm intentionally leaving any and all things related to religion out of this.)

Quote:
Consider a color palette as a gradient wheel. For the sake of common reference, I'll stipulate actual pigments, not emitted light. (Pigment being additive, light emission being subtractive.) When you are looking at 'purple', you are looking at red and blue in mixture. Both the red and the blue exist, and the proportion in which they exist determines the actual shade you perceive. But at no point do either of them only partially exist.
Fear was put in us, and in most living things that have a nerve system, as a basic self-preservation mechanism that is essential for survival. In every normal human, some degree of fear or worry about something is always present. Being brave is not about having no fear, it's about overcoming one's fear.

If someone has this basic instinct turned off completely, he must be totally insane, cybernetically or genetically altered to the point that he's no longer a human (such as Sansha or Jove), or a demented "infomorph".
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2015-12-17 09:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Arrendis wrote:
Tamiroth wrote:
Human beings are not binary, or even trinary, computing devices. And yes, our existence is also relativistic. There are many things "half-real" (take psychosomatics as the most evident example). After our death, we continue to exist. No thing in this world is exactly like another. Reality is infinitely more complex than any mortal mind can even hope to comprehend.


A)Please provide proof that humans continue to exist after death - note that the fact that data can be duplicated to produce serial copies of capsuleer brainstates is proof only that you can be duplicated.

B)Psychosomatic conditions exist in the mind. This does not make them half-real. This makes them mental constructs. It does not impact whether or not they exist. Physicality is not existence - especially when discussing mental or emotional states.

Quote:

Our Creator gifted us with infinite degrees of freedom. Our emotions are not binary switches in a wetware OS. There is no black and white, there is always a gradient between the two.


Consider a color palette as a gradient wheel. For the sake of common reference, I'll stipulate actual pigments, not emitted light. (Pigment being additive, light emission being subtractive.) When you are looking at 'purple', you are looking at red and blue in mixture. Both the red and the blue exist, and the proportion in which they exist determines the actual shade you perceive. But at no point do either of them only partially exist.


Err... Not to nitpick or anything, but light (primary RGB) is actually additive and pigment (primary CMY) is subtractive, since it absorbs light to various degrees and so reflects the exact opposite operation.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#39 - 2015-12-17 10:42:16 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Err... Not to nitpick or anything, but light (primary RGB) is actually additive and pigment (primary CMY) is subtractive, since it absorbs light to various degrees and so reflects the exact opposite operation.


Actually, no - to make green with pigment, you add yellow to blue. To make green with light, you remove competing wavelengths.
Seraphim Risen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-12-17 12:05:25 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Muck Raker wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Once upon a time, Gutter Press peppered its articles with one word paragraph exclamations such as the following —

Shocking!

Gutter Press should resume this distinctive literary style in the future. Amen. Amarr Victor.


A survey revealed that Amarr readers of Amarr-related news were not in favour of this style, whereas Gallente readers of Gallente-related news were in favour of it.

Different !

Accordingly, Gutter Press Interstellar Media Corporation altered the corporate style guide that our journalists and agents adhere to.

Should societal opinions change, Gutter Press Interstellar Media Corporation will reflect this.


Given that I am the only pilot on the IGS with a positive opinion of Gutter Press (and certainly the only one who makes military and religious asset deployment decisions based on Gutter Press reporting), my opinion counts more than that of anonymous survey takers. I demand the use of one word paragraph exclamations in all Gutter Press articles.


My opinion's positive. They give me something to snort at in the morning. Along with mountains of drugs. Kidding, on that last one.

Deitra: How rude. Demons are clearly covered in section 216b of our Corp SRP. I'll print you a copy as soon as its written.

Never not badpost.