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The neural remap holiday gift choice

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Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#101 - 2011-12-14 11:58:25 UTC
Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.
Funkert
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#102 - 2011-12-14 12:01:10 UTC
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.


i really like this idea!
ISVRaDa
Iberians
#103 - 2011-12-14 12:05:08 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
We are working on an update for later today. Just a quick heads up. Thank you for your patience, everyone.


Good to know, thanks.

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Jimmy Darmody
Industrial Logistics
#104 - 2011-12-14 12:16:32 UTC
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.



I would settle for 250k SP.
Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2011-12-14 12:31:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Neo Agricola
CCP Guard wrote:
We are working on an update for later today. Just a quick heads up. Thank you for your patience, everyone.

Thx for the Heads up.

BTW:
i bet 1 time 1 isk that they say:

Sorry, Remap is not availabe due to technical reasons (which I would belive) and everyone who already chose that gift will get it, and everyone else not. Following a 10 page rage from the comunity (inkl. me).

I think it would be fair (if there is something like fair in EVE) to make it available to everyone or no one even if i prefere to get that free remap. It would greatly help me...

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VaL Iscariot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#106 - 2011-12-14 12:54:00 UTC
hey guard, just a thought here, but why in Divinity's Edge would you let a bunch of crying, spoon fed man-children choose ANYTHING. They won't appreciate or care for whatever gifts you present them, so why give them anything at all?
Winston Clarke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2011-12-14 13:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Winston Clarke
I find it funny how CCP managed to mess up the giving out of remaps yet again!

Last time you did it, you had players raging on the forums for almost a month about how unfair it was that some people only got their timer reset, while others got an extra remap on top of their already existing one.

That time you conveniently ignored all the rage and pretended nothing happend, because it was too complicated to fix it.
You'd think that CCP would learn something from that experience.

However, now they are repeating it again! Granted, CCP deserves credit for pulling back the remap option, but the damage is already done as some people have now used their remaps in anticipation of getting another remap.

I never got screwed over by any of these free remaps, as i always had one available and thus got an extra one (also have one available now) However, I can understand why people are upset that other players gain a relative advantage in a critical field such as remaps and skillpoints.

tl;dr Credit to CCP for pulling this and attempting to fix it, but shame on CCP for making the same mistake TWICE.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#108 - 2011-12-14 13:22:35 UTC
Ided Aye wrote:
wrote:

CCP What does this mean for you guys?


4) Those who used their last remap because they thought they would get another one this month.

I remapped, then choose the remap gift. I wasn't planning on waiting for a year to use it...


You don't sell the bearskin before it is shot (believe me the proverb sounds better in dutch) but you get the drift.

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Derkata
#109 - 2011-12-14 13:23:32 UTC
Jimmy Darmody wrote:
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.



I would settle for 250k SP.


SP would be so much nicer than a remap. You dont have to commit to a certain path and everyone loves instant gratification. Nothing like finishing that skill that wasn't supposed to be done till the new year.
VaL Iscariot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2011-12-14 13:23:53 UTC
Winston Clarke wrote:
I find it funny how CCP managed to mess up the giving out of remaps yet again!

Last time you did it, you had players raging on the forums for almost a month about how unfair it was that some people only got their timer reset, while others got an extra remap on top of their already existing one.

That time you conveniently ignored all the rage and pretended nothing happend, because it was too complicated to fix it.
You'd think that CCP would learn something from that experience.

However, now they are repeating it again! Granted, CCP deserves credit for pulling back the remap option, but the damage is already done as some people have now used their remaps in anticipation of getting another remap.

I never got screwed over by any of these free remaps, as i always had one available and thus got an extra one (also have one available now) However, I can understand why people are upset that other players gain a relative advantage in a critical field such as remaps and skillpoints.

tl;dr Credit to CCP for pulling this and attempting to fix it, but shame on CCP for making the same mistake TWICE.



This is the sort of crap i'm talking about. Get over yourself dude.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#111 - 2011-12-14 13:28:12 UTC
Derkata wrote:
Jimmy Darmody wrote:
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.



I would settle for 250k SP.


SP would be so much nicer than a remap. You dont have to commit to a certain path and everyone loves instant gratification. Nothing like finishing that skill that wasn't supposed to be done till the new year.


No. I don't even want to start explaining why, but no.

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Devil's Call
Social safety
#112 - 2011-12-14 13:39:52 UTC
Give me a remap, please;/. I want 4.
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#113 - 2011-12-14 13:53:19 UTC

If this option does not make it in time, i likely won't bother with the free gift.

With respect to the developers, all the options availlable i all ready have or are easerly obtainable ingame.

My next remap is due in march, a remap now without resetting the timer and losing the next 1 in march would be worth more to me than all the other options put togetherCool
Aineko Macx
#114 - 2011-12-14 13:59:12 UTC
Having remapped characters now under the assumption I would be able to remap again in 2-3 months using the gift, I and others will be pretty much screwed if we don't get the option back. Ugh

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Winston Clarke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2011-12-14 14:06:16 UTC
VaL Iscariot wrote:
Winston Clarke wrote:
I find it funny how CCP managed to mess up the giving out of remaps yet again!

Last time you did it, you had players raging on the forums for almost a month about how unfair it was that some people only got their timer reset, while others got an extra remap on top of their already existing one.

That time you conveniently ignored all the rage and pretended nothing happend, because it was too complicated to fix it.
You'd think that CCP would learn something from that experience.

However, now they are repeating it again! Granted, CCP deserves credit for pulling back the remap option, but the damage is already done as some people have now used their remaps in anticipation of getting another remap.

I never got screwed over by any of these free remaps, as i always had one available and thus got an extra one (also have one available now) However, I can understand why people are upset that other players gain a relative advantage in a critical field such as remaps and skillpoints.

tl;dr Credit to CCP for pulling this and attempting to fix it, but shame on CCP for making the same mistake TWICE.



This is the sort of crap i'm talking about. Get over yourself dude.


Nice job missing the point entirely. I guess its hard to read when your head is up CCP's behind.
Adrenalinemax
Lap Dancers
Brothers of Tangra
#116 - 2011-12-14 14:09:28 UTC
I can see 3 good options:

Go to a yearly (1 Jan) remap, instead of the year from last remap, but ONLY when you use your last remap. This way a gift will always be a gift, if you use your last remap, your time is reset immediately and you still get your normal remap on 1 Jan.

In addition to a remap, allow a choice for 2 mil SP (Or whatever equivalent is to a remap. When I did the math for a character remapped to int/mem and chose will/perc skills, I got 1.8mil SP, but I am sure others will get different numbers.

Make remaps a pill or something tangible. This would most likely leave them open to trade and whatnot, but that is fine by me. Some others would probably be vehemently against this idea.
Kirin Falense
Some names are just stupid
#117 - 2011-12-14 14:22:51 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
I can see 3 good options:

Go to a yearly (1 Jan) remap, instead of the year from last remap, but ONLY when you use your last remap. This way a gift will always be a gift, if you use your last remap, your time is reset immediately and you still get your normal remap on 1 Jan.

In addition to a remap, allow a choice for 2 mil SP (Or whatever equivalent is to a remap. When I did the math for a character remapped to int/mem and chose will/perc skills, I got 1.8mil SP, but I am sure others will get different numbers.

Make remaps a pill or something tangible. This would most likely leave them open to trade and whatnot, but that is fine by me. Some others would probably be vehemently against this idea.


Remap pill, thats new, I like it, +1!
Anariana
Gloriphicus
#118 - 2011-12-14 14:34:59 UTC
A pill ? interesting idea. I don't really like that remaps would be bought and sold for isk though. I think it would be better to just let the free remap gift be able to stay in "redeem items" for as long as the player choose to.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#119 - 2011-12-14 14:48:07 UTC
Amateratsu wrote:

If this option does not make it in time, i likely won't bother with the free gift.

My next remap is due in march, a remap now without resetting the timer and losing the next 1 in march would be worth more to me than all the other options put togetherCool

I think this is exactly the problem.

If you can use the remap, then it outweighs the value of the other gift offers by a significant margin.

If you cannot fully benefit from the remap (because your next remap is scheduled within the next month or so), then you are getting badly short-changed.

Remember that there have been past discussions about PLEX for remaps, in which many players considered that a PLEX per remap would be a very fair price (currently approx. 400M-450M ISK). Per Jester's website, the value of the other gifts ranges between 3M-60M ISK.

I don't think that CCP's intent is to provide a gift which greatly benefits some players more than others.
Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#120 - 2011-12-14 15:15:29 UTC
Here's a fix for you!

Remove all remaps.

And hence, remove all learning attributes.

They're arbitrary barriers to fun and serve only to frustrate and annoy your players. They serve no beneficial purpose and only restrict our enjoyment.

Let's all remap to charisma in protest! Maybe after we've trained all those leadership skills - and nothing else - for a year, we can actually start enjoying the game again!