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The neural remap holiday gift choice

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Chowdercannon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2011-12-13 19:59:50 UTC
AJ Yaga wrote:
I didn't interpret it that way. There was no 'might' in CCP Guard's message. What he said was:

"We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd."

Although I do get the feeling that if it can't be 'fixed' to match expectation it may be withdrawn.

Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered.

"We have removed the remap from the list of available holiday gifts, at least temporarily". Interpreted as, "removed, while we figure out what we want to do, it might be back.". At least that's how I'm reading it. I as well have the same plans of usage if it's delivered as what everyone assumes it should be, an addition rather than a reset like it was last year.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#42 - 2011-12-13 20:00:03 UTC
I'm going to cry if it's only a reset. I imagine like most people I used the remap given to us last year in early January, so my 'gained' time would be about... 13 days.

I suspect this is the case for a great many others also.
Kakita Kenkaze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-12-13 20:01:23 UTC
Is there anything preventing the gift having a redemption that expires on lets say Dec. 22nd 2012? It seems like this would allow one to redeem it after their next normal remap becomes available, and give them an actual +1 remaps. At the same time it wouldn't in anyway penalize anyone who's already made a remap in anticipation of the gift. I suppose it wouldn't stop someone from redeeming it right away who doesn't know better, but maybe a warning at the redemption screen explaining that would help?

I know I don't mind waiting the 11 months I would need to get a nice 3-4 month Charisma remap.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-12-13 20:02:18 UTC
I don't really care if it's some remap or whatsoever, I never take it has a due but has a gift and gifts are always good.

So if you want to give me one remap I'll be happy, If you give me 1 tritanium I'll think you guys are jokers but it's ok I'll have a good laugh and my game play/time will not change. The intention behind the gift it's a lot more important than the gift it self.

This being said, I wouldn't refuse a diner with CCP Punkturis. Lol
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#45 - 2011-12-13 20:07:08 UTC
Bring it BACK guys !!! :*
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-12-13 20:08:49 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS the current "not quite as intended" behaviour ?
Maybe we can suggest adjustments to make it fairer.



Because if you already have a remap, people can do this.
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Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered.

IE they get to optimally train some skills centred around non-optimal attributes.

And if you don't already have a remap, all you get is this.
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From the sound of it, it appears that it doesn't add in as quite a +1 remap so that if you had 3 months left until your next remap, taking this gift would reset that timer. Obviously that isn't a great gift anymore.

In my case, the "free remap" just means I get the remap I'm due in January one month earlier. Which is nice an all, but quite underwhelming.
Jake Centauri
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-12-13 20:16:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Centauri
On the date of the gift, eliminate the remap timers altogether. Award those with active timers their pending remaps immediately and, on top of that, issue the gift remap. Those with unused remaps (no active timer) would get an extra one for their bank. Those with active timers get 2: the one they are due plus the gift. Then just issue new remaps at the end of every calendar year and be done with the timers.

Yes this skews the gift toward those with active timers, but the cat is out of the bag now.
Rixiu
PonyTek
#48 - 2011-12-13 20:33:21 UTC
ITT: People liking the idea of instant infinte remaps. Seriously? I've always remaps one of the core aspects of skilling and choosing a good or bad remap is among the most important choices you make (skill wise) and something that you usually put a lot of thought into. Why do we all of a sudden get 2 remaps/year? It removes a lot of the planning aspect of the game imho.

tl;dr learn to plan more than 2 weeks ahead and CCP stop turning easy mode on
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-12-13 20:36:18 UTC
Christmas gifts?

Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?
Imperator Bloodhowl
Zero Forkz Given
#50 - 2011-12-13 20:36:24 UTC
I am sure someone will quickly respond and have a go at me for some reason or other but could you not set up so that once claimed there would be no limetation on redeeming the gift. This would allow those who want to wait for their upcoming remap to add the gift one after they have recieved their schedualed one whist those who want to claim it asap could choose to do so.
Derkata
#51 - 2011-12-13 20:38:50 UTC
Imperator Bloodhowl wrote:
I am sure someone will quickly respond and have a go at me for some reason or other but could you not set up so that once claimed there would be no limetation on redeeming the gift. This would allow those who want to wait for their upcoming remap to add the gift one after they have recieved their schedualed one whist those who want to claim it asap could choose to do so.


That is why they are trying to fix it. They don't want to let gifts sit there but they also don't want to force your remap to be used right now and mess up any upcoming remaps.
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-12-13 20:40:41 UTC
What ever you decide on this it had better be for everyone. If you allow some people to have it and other not that will be a huge mistake IMO. Some people already used current remaps with the promise of having this new one granted to us. I was reworking my skill plan and just about to remap when this was brought to my attention. I'm glad someone notified me before I used my current remap for a brief period only to be screwed by not having this available. I'm sure some others have already done so and will be screwed if you don't allow them this option.
ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-12-13 20:41:17 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
Christmas gifts?

Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?


Guess you've been away Shocked
Look under Account Management options on the website (after logging in)
https://secure.eveonline.com/

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ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-12-13 20:52:59 UTC
The whole remap thing should just be kept to a simple counter based on account creation date or first subscription date. One remap per anniversary. No need for messy timers.

Could even be calculated retroactively:
(number of anniversaries) - (remaps used) = remaps available (assuming that data is stored somewhere)

Each year, it's a simple +1

Who cares if someone has 8 remaps 'cos they've never used. It's not as if they're suddenly going to use all 8 of them in a few days. And they've "paid" for those remaps with time. Literally years!

And there shouldn't be an issue with character sales, since remaps are per account, not character - they would simply acquire that new accounts' existing remaps.

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Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#55 - 2011-12-13 20:57:01 UTC
Replace the remap gift with the snowball launchers.

They were a lot more fun and a lot less controversial... :)
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-12-13 21:04:48 UTC
While we are on the topic of remaps I see no reason why only people that have used all of their remaps should get a new one every year. I currently have 3 active accounts. Of those one has never remaped and two have remaped once, more than a year ago. So the way I see it this spring I should be getting my third remap granted since I planed well in advance and stayed on one map for a long time, which by the way took planning and sacrifice. What has actually happened is that I have never been granted a yearly remap. I've never been down to zero remaps available on any account. People who used them up right away get rewarded for burning through them and that does not seem to reward the careful planning that you claim the yearly remap is supposed to reward.
Clith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-12-13 21:07:32 UTC
Is an option not to have it as a redeemable gift like the implants have been, but with no expiry date That way those who choose the remap and currently have for example 4 months until their next one can then redeem it when they want to use it and it won't affect their time until next available remap
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-12-13 21:12:50 UTC
ASadOldGit wrote:
Buzzmong wrote:
Christmas gifts?

Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?


Guess you've been away Shocked
Look under Account Management options on the website (after logging in)
https://secure.eveonline.com/


Ta very much. Did I miss a devblog or annoucement in the past week or so then?

I've been wrestling with a new pc build so haven't been able to get on.
Colleo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-12-13 21:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Colleo
Skippermonkey wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift


How exactly does the 'gift remap' differ from a normal remap?


Some of us had questions if it would stack or just reset the timer. Example, my remap comes up the 2nd of Feb next year. So just getting my remap month & a half, early isn't gonna do much. Meanwhile if you happen to have a remap open on your char, this gift remap would stack as they have before.. So that person could have 2 saved maps which is a great help.

Aded to this on the odd chance that CCP happened to gift another remap next year, then it would again come up at the same time as it would have anyway.. Meaning no gift for those whom didn't have a remap ready at the time of the gift.
Blackberry Bold
Ho 229
#60 - 2011-12-13 21:24:32 UTC
ill hold off till the 21'st but hope you send out a mass mail telling everyone before hand whether you will be giving that option. Seems like a GREAT gift and I look forward to it. : )