EVE General Discussion

cipher jones i already torpedoed your crappy rules lawyering shut up now tia

Probably because CCP's definition of profitable doesn't match your Barracks Lawyer Definition of the word.

It does not seem like ccp inforces this rule because you prolly are just whining about getting killed a few times. If you die in this game suck it up plzzzz. If pvp did not exist in eve there would be no eve. Everyones play styles are not the same. some are indy. but most are PVP. so if your and indy and you dont like pvp dont do something stupid to get yourself killed. because if you die in this game and you dont want to its 100% your fault. so when you die dont send some stupid petition to ccp and waste there time. your just delaying everyone else. So dont be a baby.

Typically, your alliance members and allies are more dangerous then the invaders..

SHOOT BLUES ERRYDAY!

There are as many motivations for griefing on EVE as there are griefers, but common causes are:

Emotional immaturity and/or instability.

Adolescent rebellion against authority. A desire to push the limits and attempt to disrupt.

Sociopathic behavior.

Boredom. Some griefers feel that they want something to do, and if they're not interested in participating in a constructive manner, they will generate their "fun" by antagonizing others. This boredom generally arises due to a lack of sufficient stimulus or creative outlets that can sometimes be the result of excessive regulation and moderation by authoritarian personalities and overly broad interpretation about what sort of activities constitute 'griefing' (see, for example, Linden Lab's definition of "broadly offensive").

Seeing no other recourse to address systemic problems which result in CCP's inability to rid itself of bad characters and drawing a fine but conclusive line as what is considered griefing and what is still acceptable gameplay.

Amusement derived from other people's reactions.


A lot of rules are just too braodly put down and nobody really dares to put the wotd down as where exactly the line is.
People value their freedom a lot, but sadly enough they seem to forget that their enjoyment of their freedom goes over the back of others and thus limiting their freedom.

As soon as freedom of speech or development comes at the cost of someone else the balance of freedom and regulation goes wrong.
Never ever the freedom of speech should be used purely to be allowed to say anything one wants without regards for others, that isn't freedom of speech anymore but freedom to act like a total verbal sociopath without running the risk of being held accountable.
Same applies within EVE's gaming world.
CCP values players freedoms a lot, they want them to create their own universe as much as possible.

However in my opinion, and with that also the opinion of many others, they let loose too much.
By allowing virtually any type of gameplay which isn't allowed at all anywhere else in the gaming world they opened Pandora's box, and now they fear to look into the depths of humanity they unleased or they are just bathing in it themselves.

It's easy to say that this is how a PvP game works, but let's not kid ourselves. There IS a clear line between playing the game and griefing. And it has been broken and got away unpunished numerous times in EVE.

Once again mainly due to CCP's inability to enforce certain rules because they set them up way way too broad to be explained.

First and Foremost, not everyone that engages in 'PvP' or 'Griefing, Malicious Gameplay or Internet Spaceship Anti-Social Deviancy' is mentally imbalanced. Its fun, its encouraged by CCP (check out the trailers if you don't believe me) but its also a marketing stand point and also a major selling point of the game.

I was drawn to this game because you could literally track down, shadow, and destory that neckbeard smack talking in local. I thought that was a pretty great feature; this game also offers PvP in a non-linear sandbox format that isn't seen anywhere else.

Once scamming and griefing became a selling point, there was no going back; and quite honestly, fan fiction written about any PvE aspect of this game is dull and pointless, regardless of the writers literary skill. Tons of people who have never played the game follow the geo-political aspects, the down falls of alliances, and just the simple pirate stories that once upon a time flooded C&P.

All that being said, not everyone wants 'good fights' just like not everyone wants to run 'soul-crushing red boxy shoot fest'. Then applying any sort of mental apptitude to the behavioral aspects of a playerbase in a video game is just stupid. Finding false logic to define what you deem as immature game play, is equally immature and just as ridiculed.

EvE is a harsh game, there are repurcussions behind a playerbase within the very principle that we are free to decide what we want to do, and how we impact each other. Some embrace this, some shun it; and those that whine about it just havn't found a way to play the game that directly sates their happy medium of internet gaming so they resort to this forum warrioring badness that is Cipher and his baseless arguments.

Theres the Wolf; Theres the Sheep. All you do is pick one. The rest is inevitable.

You could log into Singularity ... granted there's only about 200 people on that server ever ... and you're *never* going to beat NPC price on goods... but it's PVP-free.

If they did split it though, the PvP side would flourish.


Why fight AI, when you can fight real intelligence (note: Goons excepted)? I mean, if it's really that scary for you to go up against another player, just tell yourself that it's really not another player but a really cunning AI that keeps you on your toes and encourages you to work together.




This is just hearsay, though I can't really refute or corroborate the point... so meh.

No it isn't.

If the person in said Indy ship is in a player corp then they have the option either fighting back themselves are get a few corp mates and fight back together as a group.

Even if sll they can fly is frigs, it doesn't matter, the option is still there.

Failing that.. hire somebody.

If they are in the NPC corp then get yourself in a player corp and do as I said.

Also if the person who lost said cargo ship decided to talk smack in local then as the old saying goes, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

You always have a choice and that's what makes Eve such a great game.

Not empty quoting.

Again with the making claims that can not be proven and stating them as fact. Who has got harassed out of the game?