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@ CCP, why do you have rules that you refuse to enforce?
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-12-13 19:47:43 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
If this thread is actually about baiting in noob systems, report them and watch them get banned.

If not.....

.................AND THEN KESTRELS.


it actually works..

AND THEN KESTRELS ..

makes me smile
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-12-13 19:48:51 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
oxytopes at 1500, the bad thread index is spiking across the forums, it's a crisis of market democracy~




Hmmm the csm is for representing the playerbase not for placing bad jokes into threads a player made

ooooww wait its a carebear post and the csm represents only 0.0.

R.S.I2014
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#43 - 2011-12-13 19:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
oxytopes at 1500, the bad thread index is spiking across the forums, it's a crisis of market democracy~




Hmmm the csm is for representing the playerbase not for placing bad jokes into threads a player made

ooooww wait its a carebear post and the csm represents only 0.0.


A goon posted in a thread on a forum. Unthinkable!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2011-12-13 20:05:27 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
oxytopes at 1500, the bad thread index is spiking across the forums, it's a crisis of market democracy~




Hmmm the csm is for representing the playerbase not for placing bad jokes into threads a player made

ooooww wait its a carebear post and the csm represents only 0.0.



Look vanguard postsLol
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#45 - 2011-12-13 20:13:22 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Barakkus
#46 - 2011-12-13 20:29:46 UTC
So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2011-12-13 20:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Barakkus wrote:
So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.


thats not profit, thats actually serious mental issue. Big smile
Altho on both sides...
Prince Kobol
#48 - 2011-12-13 20:31:51 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.


Unless of course the aim was to stop said hauler from selling / picking up goods in said system?

Or perhaps to disrupt him from supplying his corp for with goods?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2011-12-13 20:32:17 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.



Depends what the badger is up to.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#50 - 2011-12-13 20:37:32 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Its counterproductive to your game, and its costing you a lot of money. You have never enforced this policy yet you retain it, it is very confusing. Is it simply the cost of enforcing it? Or apathy? Or did you just print that to bait people into subbing, with them thinking "EvE can't be as harsh as people say if blatant griefing is against the rules". Or do you plan on enforcing it someday? Just wondering why a company would allow itself to hemorrhage money like that, especially after this summer.

Eagerly waiting your response, also eagerly awaiting griefer replies telling me what a bad poster I am and how what they do is either justified or not griefing.


'Blatant griefing' is a narrowly-defined term in EVE due to the mechanics of the game. I'm allowed to destroy a ship that's carrying a valuable cargo. I'm not allowed to follow him around afterward and destroy every new ship he launches.


You can actually do that if you make an extortion racket. Therefore he is valid target by gameplay means.


If I set up an extortion racket, then I have a legitimate reason to destroy his ships. I can't just arbitrarily follow J. Random Podperson around and destroy him every time he re-ships.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#51 - 2011-12-13 20:41:01 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.


Unless of course the aim was to stop said hauler from selling / picking up goods in said system?

Or perhaps to disrupt him from supplying his corp for with goods?


You can war dec a corp in hisec. The intent of the victim is irrelevant to what CCP says constitutes griefing.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Barakkus
#52 - 2011-12-13 20:41:08 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.


thats not profit, thats actually serious mental issue. Big smile
Altho on both sides...



It's kind of like collecting kill mails....another way to profit....

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Jita Alt666
#53 - 2011-12-13 20:43:21 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Problem is since ganking is a approved game mechanic and is perfectly legal how can it be considered griefing?


Because the definition that CCP posted directly states that it is.

1. Devoting a large amount of time.
2. Malicious.
3. not profiting.

Meets all of the conditions set by CCP. No where in the definition does it say the griefers mechanic has to be an exploit.



Please sight 10 examples of this set of circumstances here and now.

Please understand that if an individual is ganking in the hope to shift prices in a certain market segment they are attempting to do it for profit. Then whether it is malicious or not becomes irrelevant.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2011-12-13 20:43:48 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.


thats not profit, thats actually serious mental issue. Big smile
Altho on both sides...



It's kind of like collecting kill mails....another way to profit....


Unless somebody paying you for killmails or said tears and hate mails in hard cold ISKs.. i would not call it an profit.
Barakkus
#55 - 2011-12-13 20:49:03 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.


thats not profit, thats actually serious mental issue. Big smile
Altho on both sides...



It's kind of like collecting kill mails....another way to profit....


Unless somebody paying you for killmails or said tears and hate mails in hard cold ISKs.. i would not call it an profit.



Some people value KMs over isk.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#56 - 2011-12-13 20:49:29 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Problem is since ganking is a approved game mechanic and is perfectly legal how can it be considered griefing?


Because the definition that CCP posted directly states that it is.

1. Devoting a large amount of time.
2. Malicious.
3. not profiting.

Meets all of the conditions set by CCP. No where in the definition does it say the griefers mechanic has to be an exploit.



Please sight 10 examples of this set of circumstances here and now.

Please understand that if an individual is ganking in the hope to shift prices in a certain market segment they are attempting to do it for profit. Then whether it is malicious or not becomes irrelevant.



Funny you should say that, as plenty of people have come on the forum and overtly claimed they were doing it only "for the lulz".

Secondly, "attempt" is not written or implied in the definition.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2011-12-13 20:51:45 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


Funny you should say that, as plenty of people have come on the forum and overtly claimed they were doing it only "for the lulz".

Secondly, "attempt" is not written or implied in the definition.



This did not answer the question asked.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2011-12-13 20:53:57 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
So what if your profit is hate mail and tears?
I would say nothing is griefing then.


thats not profit, thats actually serious mental issue. Big smile
Altho on both sides...



It's kind of like collecting kill mails....another way to profit....


Unless somebody paying you for killmails or said tears and hate mails in hard cold ISKs.. i would not call it an profit.



Some people value KMs over isk.


I know.. first on the battleclinic is the one who is shooting his alts in rookie ships ... well he is first..

So if you value KM more that is the way to go... Big smile
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#59 - 2011-12-13 20:56:48 UTC
Shad0wsFury wrote:
You sound mad.

Are you mad?


I'm not really mad, but I am somewhat displeased by this thread.
Prince Kobol
#60 - 2011-12-13 21:01:12 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.


Unless of course the aim was to stop said hauler from selling / picking up goods in said system?

Or perhaps to disrupt him from supplying his corp for with goods?


You can war dec a corp in hisec. The intent of the victim is irrelevant to what CCP says constitutes griefing.



and if the person is in a NPC Corp?