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@ CCP, why do you have rules that you refuse to enforce?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#21 - 2011-12-13 18:55:00 UTC
Its just a game.

Shessh

1 Whiners definition of greifing is entirely different from other peoples definition of greifing to what ccp thinks its greifing.

2 CCP isnt everywhere. if they where they tempo ban you on the first time you said @#% on accident. When you meant to say ask in ingame chats.

3 Winer greifing petitions are certainly clogging up the system quite a bit.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2011-12-13 19:01:40 UTC
mkint wrote:
It sounds to me like the key question is that of profitability. That being the case, the accused individual should be required to prove that they have profited from it. If the individual was paid to do it, the accuser has a right to know who paid them for it, so they can accuse them and have them investigated. No individual, corporation, or alliances should be immune to investigation.


I blow up your ships and the ships of ice miners purely out of maliciousness and to grief ice miners.

You may feel free to c/p this when you petition me, I'll be busy killing and podding miners.

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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-12-13 19:03:10 UTC
I can't see half the posts in this thread!

Thank the Lord!

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2011-12-13 19:04:05 UTC
If this thread is actually about baiting in noob systems, report them and watch them get banned.

If not.....

.................AND THEN KESTRELS.

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Prince Kobol
#25 - 2011-12-13 19:04:14 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
mkint wrote:
It sounds to me like the key question is that of profitability. That being the case, the accused individual should be required to prove that they have profited from it. If the individual was paid to do it, the accuser has a right to know who paid them for it, so they can accuse them and have them investigated. No individual, corporation, or alliances should be immune to investigation.


I blow up your ships and the ships of ice miners purely out of maliciousness and to grief ice miners.

You may feel free to c/p this when you petition me, I'll be busy killing and podding miners.


Case in point.. is this griefing or is this somebody who is just enjoying the game using the mechanics that have been put in place by CCP?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-13 19:04:23 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
mkint wrote:
It sounds to me like the key question is that of profitability. That being the case, the accused individual should be required to prove that they have profited from it. If the individual was paid to do it, the accuser has a right to know who paid them for it, so they can accuse them and have them investigated. No individual, corporation, or alliances should be immune to investigation.


I blow up your ships and the ships of ice miners purely out of maliciousness and to grief ice miners.

You may feel free to c/p this when you petition me, I'll be busy killing and podding miners.


well played...

I blow up your ships and the ships of ice miners to enforce them to quit the game.

Would be quite different story.
Prince Kobol
#27 - 2011-12-13 19:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Here is an idea..

Somebody post an example of a situation that can be categorically 100% described as grief play that is not can baiting noobs in 1.0 space
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#28 - 2011-12-13 19:10:51 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
I assume you've reported them to CCP, since you've obviously been stalking them and asked for their reasons for doing it. Their logic is irrelevant though, if their actions fall in to the griefing area. That said what you describe is can-flipping and not can-baiting, and it's not what the OPs quote describes. Just in case you don't know the difference, can-baiting noobs is more like dropping a can in a starter system and naming it "free stuff" then killing any noob stupid enough to take something out of it. Quite different from can-flipping and even it is OK outside starter systems.


Can flipping is equally not allowed in newbie system against newbies, just incase you didn't know. And yes I occasionally put a fresh alt in those systems in a bait Osprey and laugh at their sad reasonings and twists of logic.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-12-13 19:11:25 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is an idea..

Somebody post an example of a situation that can be categorically 100% described as grief play that is not can baiting noobs in 1.0 space


In this game. Hardly.

The one who continuously killing one player, whatever he do, anywhere in EVE. For some specific ammount of time .. ltes say one month, while descending to real life threats.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#30 - 2011-12-13 19:15:16 UTC
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-12-13 19:16:33 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


Suicide ganking new players in rookie ships is profitable how ?

Please share your wonderful insight.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#32 - 2011-12-13 19:16:54 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:

Its counterproductive to your game, and its costing you a lot of money. You have never enforced this policy yet you retain it, it is very confusing. Is it simply the cost of enforcing it? Or apathy? Or did you just print that to bait people into subbing, with them thinking "EvE can't be as harsh as people say if blatant griefing is against the rules". Or do you plan on enforcing it someday? Just wondering why a company would allow itself to hemorrhage money like that, especially after this summer.

Eagerly waiting your response, also eagerly awaiting griefer replies telling me what a bad poster I am and how what they do is either justified or not griefing.


'Blatant griefing' is a narrowly-defined term in EVE due to the mechanics of the game. I'm allowed to destroy a ship that's carrying a valuable cargo. I'm not allowed to follow him around afterward and destroy every new ship he launches.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-13 19:18:53 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Its counterproductive to your game, and its costing you a lot of money. You have never enforced this policy yet you retain it, it is very confusing. Is it simply the cost of enforcing it? Or apathy? Or did you just print that to bait people into subbing, with them thinking "EvE can't be as harsh as people say if blatant griefing is against the rules". Or do you plan on enforcing it someday? Just wondering why a company would allow itself to hemorrhage money like that, especially after this summer.

Eagerly waiting your response, also eagerly awaiting griefer replies telling me what a bad poster I am and how what they do is either justified or not griefing.


'Blatant griefing' is a narrowly-defined term in EVE due to the mechanics of the game. I'm allowed to destroy a ship that's carrying a valuable cargo. I'm not allowed to follow him around afterward and destroy every new ship he launches.


You can actually do that if you make an extortion racket. Therefore he is valid target by gameplay means.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2011-12-13 19:27:45 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


Suicide ganking new players in rookie ships is profitable how ?

Please share your wonderful insight.


Nothing was said about ganking nubs, just ganks.

Read more rage less.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-12-13 19:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
baltec1 wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
While I don't really know why I am bothering to respond to this tiresome poster...

Suicide ganking IS profitable, just because you don't know how to make ISK doing it just further shows your limited understanding of the game.

Have fun trying to troll people on the forums though.


Suicide ganking new players in rookie ships is profitable how ?

Please share your wonderful insight.


Nothing was said about ganking nubs, just ganks.

Read more rage less.


well the OP is about enforcing rules about can baiting in newbie systems.. so ?
But i admit i didnt read it.. I just assume this is the case.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2011-12-13 19:30:36 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:


well the OP is about enforcing rules about can baiting in newbie systems.. so ?


So quote him.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2011-12-13 19:33:20 UTC
With respect to Cipher, would someone care to name someone can baiting in noob systems who did not get banned after being reported?

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#38 - 2011-12-13 19:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
I got a warning within about 5 minutes of flipping baiters cans in a nub system when I was trying to put a stop to some bads picking on noobs. These cowards refused to fight me and instead tried to petition me as baiting noobs myself. I got it all sorted out quickly and havent seen those guys about for some time. I guess they got butthurt that they couldn't get easy kills anymore and quit.

And no, I wasn't talking about noob systems in my previous post.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2011-12-13 19:42:36 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I got a warning within about 5 minutes of flipping bait cans in a nub system when I was trying to put a stop to some bads picking on noobs. These cowards refused to fight me and instead tried to petition me as baiting noobs myself. I got it all sorted out quickly and havent seen those guys about for some time. I guess they got butthurt that they couldn't get easy kills anymore and quit.

And no, I wasn't talking about noob systems in my previous post.


Well i make wrong implication that you reacting to OP.
My fault then.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#40 - 2011-12-13 19:46:13 UTC
No worries, its easy to misinterpret stuff on these forums.

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