EVE General Discussion

I was stating where Griefplay comes from. Not where normal gameplay comes from. The line between playing within the rules and when it goes over into griefing ire just too vague in EVE. And CCP just lacks the backbone to put up simple but very clear rules about what exactly is griefing.

On one side they put in their EULA that grieging is prohibited but on the other side they allow certain gamestyles which are commonly accepted as griefing in virtually all other MMO's.

THAT is the problem.

The playerbase has no way to know when something is griefing and even a petition doesn't really bring an answer.
Because you can excelate a petition upwards for various steps before you know what isn't griefplay. But you never get a followup if CCP actually took action because of the "no naming and shaming" policy.

This keeps the rule of no griefing something in the shadowworld where I am sure not even the GM's and Dev's exactly know how to handle in each situation and if asked about it seperatly I am also sure that there would be big differences in replies.

i can tell you with 100% accuracy what the result of each and every griefing petition will be

i, however, am not a bleeting sheep seeking vainly to find some way to make it against the rules for me to be sheered killed and devoured

And when that happens I just might, right now its a long way off.

Also, love the accusations of griefing via a forum thread. It shows how little ammunition some people have in the wit arsenal. Thank you for the lulz.

Firstly, I stopped reading at that chopped and screwed quote edit.

Secondly. Just skimming through- This isn't ALL other MMO's this is EvE. Its been this way for the better part of a decade. We like it here and if you are not of sufficient mental faculties to adapt and overcome, you will get crushed under the proverbial bootheel of every Deathbear/Pirate/Bully/AngryKid/Goon/BoredMerc as they pass you.

Griefer is a play style, its accepted, and it isn't going away. Not a single **** was given about removing insurance payouts from suicide ganker's ships, or anything else lost through concord intervention. Some people log in, just to target a random carebear, push f1, and laugh when they get a mail notification.

I understand what the post is about, I understand the crap the OP has been spewing forth for 10 pages, its all ****. If you undock in this game, regardless of the security rating of the system you venture forth into, there is a RISK that someone like me will blow your shiny toys up. Every PvPer in this game understands its not a matter of 'how' its a matter of 'when', pushing the undock button is just rolling the dice; eventually everyone loses ships. Everyone gets podded. Everyone's expensive faction modules end up in someone else's possession, and returned to the market.

This is the game you choose to play. This are the kinds of things that happen, sporadically, throughout New Eden.

To be point blank about it: CCP Endorses This Behavior, now stop whining.

No you haven't. You neither killed nor illustrated that you have killed anything of mine. You simply assume that I am a "hisec carebear" and run your mouth. They cant quote it because it doesn't exist.

The Imicus is a lovely ship!

Everybody in this game, be they a merc, a pirate, a hauler, a miner or just a tycoon lounging in Jita is a PvPer. EVE does not have PvE. I think that is where a lot of players become unstuck, because they expect to do their quests, get to level 80 and then raid after reset. And that's not what EVE is.

i see you're still pretending to not have seen my explanation of why you're as bad a rules lawyer as you are an ice miner

but please, continue to embarass yourself it's a slow day at work

Really?

The player that put up that first buy order you accepted without competing was engaging in PvP.

He won.

You lost.

unironically, yes

however, you don't know how to do that because part of those smarts are social intelligence to be able to have friends who can cyno in on your bait inimicus