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Attack of the Drones level 4 mission bugged or changed?
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Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-12-11 17:29:12 UTC
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Attack_of_the_Drones

Used to be able to blitz. Now all drones must be destroyed to trigger mission complete. Is this a bug or has the mission been changed?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-12-11 18:30:00 UTC
Could be a bug but more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions.

Ugh



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-12-11 18:33:49 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions.

Why do you go all tinfoil? They have access to the actual numbers. They don't need to rely on forum posts.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#4 - 2015-12-11 18:36:51 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Attack_of_the_Drones

Used to be able to blitz. Now all drones must be destroyed to trigger mission complete. Is this a bug or has the mission been changed?


Or maybe you aren't keeping track of what needs to be destroyed?
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-12-11 18:38:13 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Attack_of_the_Drones

Used to be able to blitz. Now all drones must be destroyed to trigger mission complete. Is this a bug or has the mission been changed?


Or maybe you aren't keeping track of what needs to be destroyed?

I am. I've blitz the mission for years. I tried 3 times today and had to kill everything.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-12-11 19:07:00 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions.

Why do you go all tinfoil? They have access to the actual numbers. They don't need to rely on forum posts.
Yeah right, like they're really gonna keep checking a bunch of code for numbers.

Quite often over the years CCP has changed things after a bunch of attention is drawn to certain info that players have made public.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-12-11 19:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
more than likely it's been changed due to a few people claiming they make ton's of ISK blitzing missions.

Why do you go all tinfoil? They have access to the actual numbers. They don't need to rely on forum posts.
Yeah right, like they're really gonna keep checking a bunch of code for numbers.

Quite often over the years CCP has changed things after a bunch of attention is drawn to certain info that players have made public.


DMC

Sure people might bring it to their attention but if you think they don't do any analysis before they make changes and rely solely on forum posts you are only fooling yourself into tinfoilery.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-12-11 20:22:46 UTC
perhaps they just look at lp generated per day. Suppose there is a declining numbers of mission runners, but overall mission runners are more efficient so they see the LP/day is pretty constant and don't worry about it.

metrics are one thing, knowing what they mean is another.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-12-11 21:57:12 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Sure people might bring it to their attention but if you think they don't do any analysis before they make changes and rely solely on forum posts you are only fooling yourself into tinfoilery.

Never said CCP doesn't do any analysis before making changes to the game. They usually inform the playerbase about the pending change and the reasons for the change.

However if you think CCP doesn't do stealth changes as a kneejerk reaction to specific info made public here in the forums, especially info that is counterproductive to the direction CCP is manipulating the game towards, then you're quite naive..

Now if it's a bug then it's really widespread since other missions have been affected as well. That would denote a major lack of competency for CCP programmers, something I don't really want to consider..

Let's go with Occam's razor - 'The simplest answer is most often the correct answer.'

It appears to be a change to mission game mechanics and since it wasn't presented by a Dev Blog or Patch notes, it's a stealth change and due to the nature of the change, a reaction to info recently made public by the playerbase here in the forums.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-12-11 22:13:07 UTC
More tinfoil please.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#11 - 2015-12-12 01:24:04 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Now if it's a bug then it's really widespread since other missions have been affected as well. That would denote a major lack of competency for CCP programmers, something I don't really want to consider..

Never attributed to malice that witch can be attributed to incompetence.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#12 - 2015-12-12 01:31:13 UTC
Oh and the joke's on you, as Chainsaw has said in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) but Attack of the drones isn't even that good of a blitz mission for standings upkeep. You sit around in the pocket for 30 seconds doing nothing for crying in a bucket. Lol

Not only are you suggesting that CCP feels so threatened by my guide that they'd make very obvious stealth changes, damaging their reputation *cough*, but that they didn't even bother to check and see if it will have any affect or if it's actually the problem.

Huh saying it like that means it's incompetence either way but at least a bug can kinda be forgiven, although the bug was pointed out a month ago so yea, theres that.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-12-12 01:46:38 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Oh and the joke's on you, as Chainsaw has said in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) but Attack of the drones isn't even that good of a blitz mission for standings upkeep. You sit around in the pocket for 30 seconds doing nothing for crying in a bucket. Lol

Not only are you suggesting that CCP feels so threatened by my guide that they'd make very obvious stealth changes, damaging their reputation *cough*, but that they didn't even bother to check and see if it will have any affect or if it's actually the problem.

Huh saying it like that means it's incompetence either way but at least a bug can kinda be forgiven, although the bug was pointed out a month ago so yea, theres that.


Do you really believe it to be a bug?? A bug that was implemented right after you released that blitzing guide?? I can only see CCP blaming it on a bug IF the reaction turns too sour. But if you ask me then I'd say it was an intentional bug.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2015-12-12 02:09:53 UTC
I think there's as much chance as this being an unintended bug as there is an intentional change.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#15 - 2015-12-12 02:12:20 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Oh and the joke's on you, as Chainsaw has said in the past (correct me if I'm wrong) but Attack of the drones isn't even that good of a blitz mission for standings upkeep. You sit around in the pocket for 30 seconds doing nothing for crying in a bucket. Lol

Not only are you suggesting that CCP feels so threatened by my guide that they'd make very obvious stealth changes, damaging their reputation *cough*, but that they didn't even bother to check and see if it will have any affect or if it's actually the problem.

Huh saying it like that means it's incompetence either way but at least a bug can kinda be forgiven, although the bug was pointed out a month ago so yea, theres that.


Do you really believe it to be a bug?? A bug that was implemented right after you released that blitzing guide?? I can only see CCP blaming it on a bug IF the reaction turns too sour. But if you ask me then I'd say it was an intentional bug.

I guess that depends, was the Team Burner thing a bug? They say so...

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#16 - 2015-12-12 02:21:26 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
I guess that depends, was the Team Burner thing a bug? They say so...

I had a heck of a time even scratching the paint on the Team Burners, so yeah...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#17 - 2015-12-12 02:25:54 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
I guess that depends, was the Team Burner thing a bug? They say so...

I had a heck of a time even scratching the paint on the Team Burners, so yeah...

Solo, definately but WHAT IF..

*puts on tinfoil hat*

..they wanted to force us to run them with altsother people! Think about it! Inferno missiles can't melt steel beams!

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-12-12 02:52:56 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Oh and the joke's on you ......................................

Obviously the joke's on you since I rarely ever run regular missions. As for this so called bug, CCP has let plenty of bugs exist in game when it suits them, who's to say this isn't another one of those times.

More importantly, I'm not the Min/Max Blitzer who bragged about making over 200m ISK per hr solo, then posted and promoted a walk-thru guide informing others on how to do it.

Personally I hope CCP quickly eliminates the ability to blitz all missions and all exploration sites as well. Yeah, no more Blitzing missions. No more Cherry Picking exploration sites. No more gaining quick wealth for little to no effort. Not only would it make the game more interesting, it would increase the amount of time needed to complete objectives as well as add more risk for reward.

Anyway, the die is cast now. Should probably expect more of the same changes to follow suit, you only have yourself to blame.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2015-12-12 02:56:43 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Solo, definately but WHAT IF..
*puts on tinfoil hat*
..they wanted to force us to run them with altsother people! Think about it! Inferno missiles can't melt steel beams!

No, with three ships. I couldn't break the logistics even with overheated polarized rockets. I got tired of waiting for CCP to fix it and said "f**k it* and moved onto something less frustrating... Yes, got the hidden reference. I'd be fine with running it with other people.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#20 - 2015-12-12 03:55:09 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Oh and the joke's on you ......................................

Obviously the joke's on you since I rarely ever run regular missions. As for this so called bug, CCP has let plenty of bugs exist in game when it suits them, who's to say this isn't another one of those times.

More importantly, I'm not the Min/Max Blitzer who bragged about making over 200m ISK per hr solo, then posted and promoted a walk-thru guide informing others on how to do it.

Personally I hope CCP quickly eliminates the ability to blitz all missions and all exploration sites as well. Yeah, no more Blitzing missions. No more Cherry Picking exploration sites. No more gaining quick wealth for little to no effort. Not only would it make the game more interesting, it would increase the amount of time needed to complete objectives as well as add more risk for reward.

Anyway, the die is cast now. Should probably expect more of the same changes to follow suit, you only have yourself to blame.



DMC

Well you did lay the groundwork...

You do know everything I do is only possible because of the standings research you did right? Pretty much everything I know, heck most people know about standings is from your guide. Hmm you know what I think I have made a mistake. I should really add you to my credits list considering the fact that the guide wouldn't exist if not for the work you did. That's a really big and obvious oversight on my part.

Seriously though, ease up on the tinfoil hattery. This is a lot like the Team burner bug. It'll prolly get fixed some time mid Jan.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
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