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Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-12-11 01:22:45 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
What the OP is saying (from my understanding) is...

He wants to be in a large active pvp/pve corp because of the content it offers.

He also wants to put up a POS and do ' stuff ' with it.

His problem is the corp will not give him the star base config role due to security concerns so he cant manage his own POS. The corps concern is legit cause then a awoxer could unanchor all the corps POSs.

Yes he could have someone with roles anchor it for him but perhaps there is something he wants to do that requires the config role. (im not that familar with roles... does moon mining / ship building / gas reactions require star base config ??)

Its a legit point. However with the role changes coming in citadels maybe this wont be an issue anymore. maybe you can do all the industry things in POSs without requiring a anchor/unanchor role.

OP.. an alternative is to get an industry alt and put it in a one man corp and have it run the POS.
See if the Corp your main belongs to would mind you setting up this POS in their space. They shoudnt mind.. if they do find another corp.

Should be problem solved.

Thank you for understanding what I am saying and not flaming me.
I really think this topic might need a Dev response. I should not have to have an alt to experience PvE content I PAY for. In all honesty I am kind of surprised CCP hasn't gotten sued over not allowing everyone to access what they pay for.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#62 - 2015-12-11 01:26:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?

Remember a lot of people in the forums are the 1%.
However CCP have not said if they will need permissions to put up like POS currently do. And if they will remain owned by the player when they do put them up, though given they have talked about the ability to lock them to just personal access this seems possible they will.
However they are still several months off at this point so final details are not set in stone yet.

It is pretty certain you will need to be in a player corp to put one up though, for the wardec reason.
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#63 - 2015-12-11 02:21:02 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Thank you for understanding what I am saying and not flaming me.
I really think this topic might need a Dev response. I should not have to have an alt to experience PvE content I PAY for. In all honesty I am kind of surprised CCP hasn't gotten sued over not allowing everyone to access what they pay for.


Alright, let's say the Devs see it your way, and you get your POS - under whatever mythical terms you feel it should exist.

Are you then going to sue the corp that shoots it down because you couldn't defend it?

Or launch some sort of class action against industrialists for price rigging because you can't fuel it?

Or indeed against any player who doesn't make use of your facility - that you yourself have described as a money making opportunity.

I really don't see your point.

It has been explained how you can achieve what you want - form a corp and build it (no one is stopping you)(there are plenty of industrial players happy to sell you the things you need to do so) - but for some reason you appear unable or unwilling to understand what is being said.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2015-12-11 03:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Brigadine Ferathine
Azure Feixing wrote:
No. If all the average joes had access to this stuff it would ruin the game. You must work your way up the latter to be able to do these kinds of things.


Not if people don't want to let you climb the ladder. This game is dying and this elitist attitude is why, yet CCP continues to develop the game with this attitude. Like I said before this new system would be a GREAT way to start breaking the trend that is killing the game.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2015-12-11 03:44:11 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?

Remember a lot of people in the forums are the 1%.
However CCP have not said if they will need permissions to put up like POS currently do. And if they will remain owned by the player when they do put them up, though given they have talked about the ability to lock them to just personal access this seems possible they will.
However they are still several months off at this point so final details are not set in stone yet.

It is pretty certain you will need to be in a player corp to put one up though, for the wardec reason.

That is part of why nothing productive gets done here.

I feel like who will be allowed to use the sandbox that everyone pays the same amount for is not a fine detail, especially with the shape this games player base is in.

Citadels will have modules like ships, I don't need corporation role permissions to undock a ship. Citadels should be treated like ships.
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#66 - 2015-12-11 04:22:39 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:
What the OP is saying (from my understanding) is...

He wants to be in a large active pvp/pve corp because of the content it offers.

He also wants to put up a POS and do ' stuff ' with it.

His problem is the corp will not give him the star base config role due to security concerns so he cant manage his own POS. The corps concern is legit cause then a awoxer could unanchor all the corps POSs.

Yes he could have someone with roles anchor it for him but perhaps there is something he wants to do that requires the config role. (im not that familar with roles... does moon mining / ship building / gas reactions require star base config ??)

Its a legit point. However with the role changes coming in citadels maybe this wont be an issue anymore. maybe you can do all the industry things in POSs without requiring a anchor/unanchor role.

OP.. an alternative is to get an industry alt and put it in a one man corp and have it run the POS.
See if the Corp your main belongs to would mind you setting up this POS in their space. They shoudnt mind.. if they do find another corp.

Should be problem solved.

Thank you for understanding what I am saying and not flaming me.
I really think this topic might need a Dev response. I should not have to have an alt to experience PvE content I PAY for. In all honesty I am kind of surprised CCP hasn't gotten sued over not allowing everyone to access what they pay for.


It doesnt need a Dev responce. Your problem is solvable using the existing mechanics.

You have several options.

You can train an industry alt on the same account as your main. Put him in a one man corp and train the skills you need to run the POS and do industry effectively. You can even do dual character training so you don t loose training time on your main.
If you dont want to train you can buy a character on the bazzar. These options do not require a 2nd account.

EvE isnt a log on and be able to do everything at once kind of game.. Your not the chosen one, god king, best warrior/mage who ever was. Eve is about choices and the consquences of those choices. Your paying for the ability to choose what you want to do in the game and part of the games appeal is that obtaining what you want is not easy and can take a long time. Most of us find that satisfying.

Your not paying for the ability to be able to log in and do everything at once on a single character.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2015-12-11 04:28:45 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:
What the OP is saying (from my understanding) is...

He wants to be in a large active pvp/pve corp because of the content it offers.

He also wants to put up a POS and do ' stuff ' with it.

His problem is the corp will not give him the star base config role due to security concerns so he cant manage his own POS. The corps concern is legit cause then a awoxer could unanchor all the corps POSs.

Yes he could have someone with roles anchor it for him but perhaps there is something he wants to do that requires the config role. (im not that familar with roles... does moon mining / ship building / gas reactions require star base config ??)

Its a legit point. However with the role changes coming in citadels maybe this wont be an issue anymore. maybe you can do all the industry things in POSs without requiring a anchor/unanchor role.

OP.. an alternative is to get an industry alt and put it in a one man corp and have it run the POS.
See if the Corp your main belongs to would mind you setting up this POS in their space. They shoudnt mind.. if they do find another corp.

Should be problem solved.

Thank you for understanding what I am saying and not flaming me.
I really think this topic might need a Dev response. I should not have to have an alt to experience PvE content I PAY for. In all honesty I am kind of surprised CCP hasn't gotten sued over not allowing everyone to access what they pay for.


It doesnt need a Dev responce. Your problem is solvable using the existing mechanics.

You have several options.

You can train an industry alt on the same account as your main. Put him in a one man corp and train the skills you need to run the POS and do industry effectively. You can even do dual character training so you don t loose training time on your main.
If you dont want to train you can buy a character on the bazzar. These options do not require a 2nd account.

EvE isnt a log on and be able to do everything at once kind of game.. Your not the chosen one, god king, best warrior/mage who ever was. Eve is about choices and the consquences of those choices. Your paying for the ability to choose what you want to do in the game and part of the games appeal is that obtaining what you want is not easy and can take a long time. Most of us find that satisfying.

Your not paying for the ability to be able to log in and do everything at once on a single character.


I cant pay for corporation roles?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#68 - 2015-12-11 05:10:15 UTC
I'm surprised this blatant troll made it to four pages.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-12-11 05:15:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'm surprised this blatant troll made it to four pages.

It is not a troll... honestly...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#70 - 2015-12-11 05:28:17 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'm surprised this blatant troll made it to four pages.

It is not a troll... honestly...


I reported it as such regardless. If you aren't a troll, you're reprehensibly selfish.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solecist Project
#71 - 2015-12-11 08:03:49 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Azure Feixing wrote:
No. If all the average joes had access to this stuff it would ruin the game. You must work your way up the latter to be able to do these kinds of things.


Not if people don't want to let you climb the ladder. This game is dying and this elitist attitude is why, yet CCP continues to develop the game with this attitude. Like I said before this new system would be a GREAT way to start breaking the trend that is killing the game.

No, the elitist attitude is what made the game grow.

You are paying like everyone else.
If I decide that you can't have fun, then you can't have fun unless you defend your fun.


THAT is what you are paying for.
YOU are the one with the bad attitude wanting things for yourself.

You come here talking bad about those who made sure this game actually exists.


You can have your citadel.
You won't get to have fun with it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#72 - 2015-12-11 08:09:01 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I cant pay for corporation roles?


whut? you're making less and less sense the longer this thread progresses.

I do not understand what is stopping you from setting up your own POS. If you want to set one up, go find a vacant moon and drop your very own personal space yurt.

The only thing stopping YOU from anchoring a POS is YOU!

Note: Keeping a POS once you've anchored it is a whole different bucket of vomit.

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Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#73 - 2015-12-11 12:24:43 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Will the average joe be able to own a citadel or will we have to have proof from a mega coalition? Roll Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station.

I ask because CCP needs to stop giving a handful of people opportunity's and fun. I am tired of 1% of the population controlling the game.

This is a great chance for CCP to give power to the playerbase as a whole.

Or you could stop pretending Eve is a single player game and make some friends.
Solecist Project
#74 - 2015-12-11 12:27:00 UTC
I have him watchlisted.

Can't wait for citadels to happen and me constantly breathing into his neck .......

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Revenant Kane
Cannibal Empire
BLACKFLAG.
#75 - 2015-12-11 12:47:05 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
I have him watchlisted.

Can't wait for citadels to happen and me constantly breathing into his neck .......



Oh yeah...

I bet his entire corp is watch listed now.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#76 - 2015-12-11 12:49:01 UTC
I cheered when Nullarbor originally said that they were trying to make the new structures usable by individuals. Then I got mad when he said they would remain corp structures only. Then I thought it through and realised that there was no real alternative because of highsec aggression mechanics.

If you want a solo structure just form a corp with an alt.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#77 - 2015-12-11 13:38:46 UTC
OP seems to be missing some fundamental points here...maybe more than a few...

1. Want to put up a POS? Don't want to ask anybody's permission? No problem. Set up your very own one-man corp, go to NPC null, pick an unoccupied moon and bingo - set up your POS. Making it worthwhile is up to you and no one else

2. You are in a corporation that won't give you the right permissions/roles to do this? Leave that corporation and find another one...or reference point 1 above...

3. "Pay for corporation roles" what? What on Earth are you talking about? Roles are granted by CEO and/or directors. Are you trying to say your CEO/directors is telling you to pay for a role?


Sounds to me like you are whining "it's not fair" because the people who run the corp you are in don't trust you with the keys to their expensive assets. With an attitude like you seem to be displaying here, I can't imagine why...

By paying a subscription to play this game you are not entitled to everything in it. If you have joined a group of people and don't like how they run their operation you have only yourself to blame. You are entitled to play the game like everyone else here. If you don't like how the game works, there is an obvious solution for you that does not require anyone else to change a thing.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2015-12-11 13:56:08 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I cheered when Nullarbor originally said that they were trying to make the new structures usable by individuals. Then I got mad when he said they would remain corp structures only. Then I thought it through and realised that there was no real alternative because of highsec aggression mechanics.

If you want a solo structure just form a corp with an alt.


It'd be nice if Citadels could be deployed in low and null by NPC Corp characters, since they can be shot there. Just like the players themselves, their drones, their MTUs, etc., can be shot.
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2015-12-11 14:30:17 UTC
Quote:
Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game.
You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining


You have been member of a provibloc alliance. So you must know that what you wrote is just plain wrong.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#80 - 2015-12-11 15:05:11 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Will the average joe be able to own a citadel or will we have to have proof from a mega coalition? Roll Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station.

I ask because CCP needs to stop giving a handful of people opportunity's and fun. I am tired of 1% of the population controlling the game.

This is a great chance for CCP to give power to the playerbase as a whole.



It's still going to be a thing that requires others. You plan on defending it yourself?

Except because vulnerability timers you basically won't actually have to defend them.