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Citidels For Individual Benefit

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Sapheni
Black Moon Mining
#41 - 2015-12-10 20:34:26 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?


Not really. If you're a solo player why would you want a citadel? It's a 600m isk liability with none of the flexibility of a POS (i.e. the ability to unanchor, move around, re-purpose). And unless I missed something, they haven't announced how they're handling POSs.

Of course... if they don't come up with a flexible alternative then I may have to eat my words...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#42 - 2015-12-10 20:37:05 UTC
Sapheni wrote:
And unless I missed something, they haven't announced how they're handling POSs.

We do know that POSs will be phased out over time, but we don't know the details yet of the transition.

Given the current moon mining mechanics, there will likely need to be either a dedicated structure for moon mining separate from Citadels and/or significant changes to moon mining before POSs can be removed.
Kieron VonDeux
#43 - 2015-12-10 20:37:14 UTC
Sapheni wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?


Not really. If you're a solo player why would you want a citadel? It's a 600m isk liability with none of the flexibility of a POS (i.e. the ability to unanchor, move around, re-purpose). And unless I missed something, they haven't announced how they're handling POSs.

Of course... if they don't come up with a flexible alternative then I may have to eat my words...



My understanding is that you can unanchor Citadels in order to move them elsewhere and redo the fittings and rigs to suit other needs whenever you need to.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2015-12-10 20:40:59 UTC
Why would a single lonely player even want a station sized citadel all for himself? Sounds very sad to me...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#45 - 2015-12-10 20:44:23 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Why would a single lonely player even want a station sized citadel all for himself?

Same reason individual POSs can be very useful I would imagine.

Plus, a Citadel will be more secure in terms of asset storage than a POS is, except in J-space.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-12-10 20:47:15 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahhh.

The new structures won't require to be anchored at moons.



But you still need to be in a player Corp with roles to launch and configure afaik.



Correct.

why does it need to be this way? For a sandbox game there isn't many choices...
Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#47 - 2015-12-10 20:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomic Virulent
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station.


INCORRECT

You just need to have enough firepower to defend them from those who may frown upon it. Big smile
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-12-10 20:49:19 UTC
Sapheni wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?


Not really. If you're a solo player why would you want a citadel? It's a 600m isk liability with none of the flexibility of a POS (i.e. the ability to unanchor, move around, re-purpose). And unless I missed something, they haven't announced how they're handling POSs.

Of course... if they don't come up with a flexible alternative then I may have to eat my words...

because you can make money with them
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-12-10 20:50:09 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station.


INCORRECT

You just need to have enough firepower to defend them from those who may frown upon it. Big smile

not if they wont let you.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#50 - 2015-12-10 20:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:

But you still need to be in a player Corp with roles to launch and configure afaik.

Correct.

why does it need to be this way? For a sandbox game there isn't many choices...

Because under the current mechanics, large structures are a Corporation level asset and need to be that way in order to be destroyable in highsec.

If you can think of a better mechanic, then start a thread in F&I Discussion.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2015-12-10 21:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
not if they wont let you.


Why don't you understand this: Absolutely nobody but yourself can effectively keep you from putting up a POS on a free moon.

If you are in a corp that doesn't let you put one up, that's an issue of yourself, who apparently doesn't want to leave, and your corp, who apparently doesn't want you to have a pos. That's not a flaw in the game.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#52 - 2015-12-10 22:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahhh.

The new structures won't require to be anchored at moons.

But you still need to be in a player Corp with roles to launch and configure afaik.

Erm ... so make a corp?

It takes maybe 10 minutes to train Corporation Management 1 on an alt.
Kieron VonDeux
#53 - 2015-12-10 22:39:36 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahhh.

The new structures won't require to be anchored at moons.

But you still need to be in a player Corp with roles to launch and configure afaik.

Erm ... so make a corp?

It takes maybe 10 minutes to train Corporation Management 1 on an alt.



Thank you Captain obvious Lol.

Been there done that, passed on the tee shirt.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#54 - 2015-12-10 22:42:12 UTC
How do I shot CITADEL

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-12-11 00:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
What the OP is saying (from my understanding) is...

He wants to be in a large active pvp/pve corp because of the content it offers.

He also wants to put up a POS and do ' stuff ' with it.

His problem is the corp will not give him the star base config role due to security concerns so he cant manage his own POS. The corps concern is legit cause then a awoxer could unanchor all the corps POSs.

Yes he could have someone with roles anchor it for him but perhaps there is something he wants to do that requires the config role. (im not that familar with roles... does moon mining / ship building / gas reactions require star base config ??)

Its a legit point. However with the role changes coming in citadels maybe this wont be an issue anymore. maybe you can do all the industry things in POSs without requiring a anchor/unanchor role.

OP.. an alternative is to get an industry alt and put it in a one man corp and have it run the POS.
See if the Corp your main belongs to would mind you setting up this POS in their space. They shoudnt mind.. if they do find another corp.

Should be problem solved.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#56 - 2015-12-11 00:54:46 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
*snip* a suspect timer *snip*

Good compromise.

Key difference is you are supposed to play with others, not be forced to have others use you as a pawn so they can play.

Also, they could be given criminal timers so that you can defend it without penalty. There could be a type of criminal timer that concord ignores.

The ability for station ownership to be business/ profession would be cool. However, it would require corporations and alliances to release their absolute control over individual players.

sounds like a suspect timer

and join a corp/alliance that doesn't abuse the members. in Idle I could do pretty much anything I wanted, and pretty much the same in signal cartel, although I haven't ever asked about the structure thing.

Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?


I think you kinda have a point, but most of it seems to be personally imposed limitations

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2015-12-11 01:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
helana Tsero wrote:
OP.. an alternative is to get an industry alt and put it in a one man corp and have it run the POS.
See if the Corp your main belongs to would mind you setting up this POS in their space. They shoudnt mind.. if they do find another corp.

Should be problem solved.


Yep - make alt corp, set standings blue. Join wars as required. Problem solved.
Azure Feixing
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-12-11 01:16:11 UTC
No. If all the average joes had access to this stuff it would ruin the game. You must work your way up the latter to be able to do these kinds of things.

If there were 6 citadels in each system, each with a regional market, the materials would get too spread out.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-12-11 01:19:44 UTC
Azure Feixing wrote:
No. If all the average joes had access to this stuff it would ruin the game. You must work your way up the latter to be able to do these kinds of things.

If there were 6 citadels in each system, each with a regional market, the materials would get too spread out.


Dude, it doesn't have anything to do with being an average joe. All it takes to build a POS right now is a week old character, a few hundred million ISK and a free moon, and I'd be surprised if it was much different with the smaller citadels.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#60 - 2015-12-11 01:22:29 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You're in a corp of 26 people.

Does that make you part of the 1%? You can launch for corp use. It can be locked down for your own use.

I have no objection to these structures requiring you to be part of a player corporation to have. Anyone can found a corporation.

See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.

Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny.
The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.

To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve.
The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.


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