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Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-12-10 19:58:14 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.

Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny.
The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.

To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve.
The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.



Uh, what?

Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE?

Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works.

Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game.
You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-12-10 19:59:44 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...


In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-12-10 20:01:49 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...


In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten.

Really?
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-10 20:05:57 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
I really don't get what you are saying. If you are in a Corp, you can get rights and slap down a POS or Citadel. If you are not in a Corp you can make one and slap down a POS or Citadel.

Or is it really not the fact, that you need to be in a Corp, to build a POS/Citadel, but the fact that your precious little sand castle in HS can be destroyed?

Corps don't hand out rights like that, Largely due to the massive amount of theft, scamming and spying that goes on in this game. I don't have a problem with them being vulnerable, I have a problem with nobody allowing me access to a part of the game that I pay for.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#25 - 2015-12-10 20:08:24 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.

Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny.
The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.

To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve.
The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.



Uh, what?

Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE?

Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works.

Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game.
You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining



Nope, still think I'm missing your point.

Being in an NPC corp, the only option if you're not in a PC corp, makes it easier to get into big fights? (I'd also dispute the solo and small gang bit.)


Hmm. Or are you coming at this from the perspective that you must be a member of a large alliance to get PvP? And that the alliances you know of say that you can't anchor things? (though that's really a corp level decision, not an alliance one. And all Alliances are made up of corporations)


Then there's the total non-sequitur about nullsec PvE. Which has nothing to to with corporation membership. You do know you don't need to leave highsec, to be a member of a player corp, and you can anchor things in Highsec?

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Kieron VonDeux
#26 - 2015-12-10 20:09:27 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...


In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten.

Really?


In the pirate alliances I've been in you just need to ask to put up POSes or POCOs.

You may need to tell them where it is going if you putting it in an alt Corp, so your alliance doesn't put it on its list of future targets.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-12-10 20:11:58 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.

Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny.
The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.

To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve.
The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.



Uh, what?

Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE?

Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works.

Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game.
You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining



Nope, still think I'm missing your point.

Being in an NPC corp, the only option if you're not in a PC corp, makes it easier to get into big fights? (I'd also dispute the solo and small gang bit.)


Hmm. Or are you coming at this from the perspective that you must be a member of a large alliance to get PvP? And that the alliances you know of say that you can't anchor things? (though that's really a corp level decision, not an alliance one. And all Alliances are made up of corporations)


Then there's the total non-sequitur about nullsec PvE. Which has nothing to to with corporation membership. You do know you don't need to leave highsec, to be a member of a player corp, and you can anchor things in Highsec?

Now I just feel like you are trolling. All alliances I know of don't want you taking up a moon.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-12-10 20:12:46 UTC
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...


In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten.

Really?


In the pirate alliances I've been in you just need to ask to put up POSes or POCOs.

You may need to tell them where it is going if you putting it in an alt Corp, so your alliance doesn't put it on its list of future targets.


lowsec is so empty... do they even exist anymore?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#29 - 2015-12-10 20:14:41 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Bounty system?

Bounties don't allow you to attack a structure.
Kieron VonDeux
#30 - 2015-12-10 20:16:10 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Now I just feel like you are trolling. All alliances I know of don't want you taking up a moon.



Depends on what it is, where it is, and how friendly you are with the major powers in your area.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-12-10 20:16:26 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...


In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten.

Really?


Yeah, why wouldn't I? There are moons aplenty. A friend and I had a few private moongoo mining/production facilities going until recently. We took them down by now, because they weren't really making much profit anymore, but there you go. Definitely possible.

Just take a peek outside of your little box. I suspect things may not be quite as you think they are.
Kieron VonDeux
#32 - 2015-12-10 20:18:50 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...


In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten.

Really?


In the pirate alliances I've been in you just need to ask to put up POSes or POCOs.

You may need to tell them where it is going if you putting it in an alt Corp, so your alliance doesn't put it on its list of future targets.


lowsec is so empty... do they even exist anymore?



No there is nothing there and no reason for you to go looking, so just stay out.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-12-10 20:21:01 UTC
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#34 - 2015-12-10 20:24:19 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?

I know why you are pointing it out. I don't think you have a point.

If you want to play alone and have a Citadel, then form a 1 man corp and put one up.

Nothing stops you from associating with other people if that's what you also want to do, but have your assets yourself.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#35 - 2015-12-10 20:26:09 UTC
ahhh.

The new structures won't require to be anchored at moons.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#36 - 2015-12-10 20:26:34 UTC
Oh my, it really has a been a good long while since weve had a good old fashioned 'Grrrrr Goons!!!' thread!




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kieron VonDeux
#37 - 2015-12-10 20:27:23 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahhh.

The new structures won't require to be anchored at moons.



But you still need to be in a player Corp with roles to launch and configure afaik.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-12-10 20:28:39 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game.
You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining


As somebody who does nothing but small gang PvP in nullsec (and some solo PvP when I'm feeling brave, plus of course some ISK-making activities to fund my small gang PvP) and as someone who flies with a bunch of pilots who mine and PvE in nullsec, I am happy to tell you that you're quite mistaken.

Also - plenty of the pilots I fly with in nullsec have personal POSes set up in the area, with absolutely zero restrictions imposed by the corp/alliance. (Well, beyond 'no AWOXing' of course.) I'm certain that once the appropriately sized Citadels are introduced to replace POSes, many of those pilots will transition to personal Citadels.

(And just to be clear - yes, these are POSes that are indivudally purchased, deployed, maintained and defended. They might nor might not be defended by the group depending on various factors.)
Kieron VonDeux
#39 - 2015-12-10 20:29:44 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Does nobody understand why I am pointing this out or think I have a point?



You want to be able to deploy and configure a Citadel in a player Corp without needing any roles.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#40 - 2015-12-10 20:30:13 UTC
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ahhh.

The new structures won't require to be anchored at moons.



But you still need to be in a player Corp with roles to launch and configure afaik.



Correct.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter