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28 PLEX for the Mordu Legion Parade SKINS - WTF?!

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#81 - 2015-12-10 03:06:55 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
If those Waschi Parade SKINs are made available anywhere else, that is the problem I'm talking about. My guess is they're being offered in this 28-pack first, and will be in the NES individually later on.

Maybe. Or they'll be exclusive like the permanent Quafe, Blood Raider, Serpentis, etc. SKINs. But that's the $60,000 question, isn't it?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2015-12-10 03:09:18 UTC
At first I thought they were just trying different combinations of SKIN and AUR or PLEX, to find something that works. But that never stabilized, and at this point it's just erratic. Players need to be promised a pattern of availability and it needs to be adhered to, for something like this SKIN offering to work.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2015-12-10 03:22:30 UTC
If the Waschi SKINs are among this year's Christmas gifts a week from now, I won't be surprised.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#84 - 2015-12-10 03:35:03 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
If the Waschi SKINs are among this year's Christmas gifts a week from now, I won't be surprised.

That would **** off a few players...

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2015-12-10 04:25:47 UTC
Already happened with the Gnosis, and that's just the example I can recall off the top of my head.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#86 - 2015-12-10 04:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Rain6637 wrote:
Already happened with the Gnosis, and that's just the example I can recall off the top of my head.

We haven't seen anything like this with SKINs (yet) - unless I'm mistaken?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2015-12-10 04:43:20 UTC
My suggestion, Guard, is you need a Vanity Item Product Manager. Someone whose job it is to keep track of when vanity items are offered, and for how long. It also helps to decide how exclusive an item will be, and be forthcoming about it. It's implied the Waschi SKINs are only available if you spend $490.00 USD, but there's no trust in that being the case.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2015-12-10 04:45:02 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Already happened with the Gnosis, and that's just the example I can recall off the top of my head.

We haven't seen anything like this with SKINs (yet).

We have, actually.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#89 - 2015-12-10 04:52:47 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
We have, actually.

Oh?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2015-12-10 05:13:09 UTC
In varying degrees, yes. Random sales of SKINs in packs like the one sale that ran recently, in account management. Might still be up, though I think it was just a black friday deal. To a lesser degree, Quafe SKINs were re-used for EVE Down Under.

Discounted offerings of SKINs in general, I'm going to say hurt the perceived value of all SKINs, ever.

When they're being offered as a bonus for digital goods costing nearly $500.00 USD, I'd say the perceived value is worth protecting. For some perspective, $500.00 USD buys an XBOX One on launch day. For a digital good.

According to market history, several 28-Packs have been purchased already. I think it's safe to say if these types of promotions were more successful, they would support the creation of a new position at CCP such as Vanity Item Product Manager.

I want to end my feedback on a positive note, so in closing I want to say I'm impressed that a digital good with such a high price point is being offered. I would like to see such a thing be wildly successful. I really do love you, CCP. No other game has come close to EVE.

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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#91 - 2015-12-10 05:21:21 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
What kind of tryhard buys 28 PLEX anyway?


The type who travels in a rookie ship half afk with them?

Oderint Dum Metuant
Aker Krane
OMEGADYNE LABS
Rising Darkness
#92 - 2015-12-10 14:56:01 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Guard, real talk. I might buy this 28 pack, but I also might not.

I would because the current value of those Waschi SKINs is 9 Billion ISK, give or take.

I wouldn't because even with that much added ISK value to a PLEX pack, there's no guarantee the values of those SKINs will hold or mature. I simply don't trust SKINs to hold their value. Several SKINs are now being offered in discounted packs, randomly, and this makes SKIN investing a bad idea.

There's also nothing cool to use PLEX for. I play on annuals, and one of my characters has a stack of 16 PLEX sitting in Jita, all bought through PLEX sales. By extension, there's nothing cool to spend ISK on.

Some players might point out the value of that stack of PLEX will only mature, but I don't care about that. Whether I have 16 PLEX and a Billion ISK or 2,000 PLEX and 2 Trillion ISK, it doesn't bring any enjoyment to me. A Hel maybe, but someone seems to have a vendetta against anything above frigate and cruiser-class.

I try to have suggestions when I provide feedback, but I just don't know what would make this work. I know you're trying to entice me, and I want to be a good customer. I can honestly say though, if SKIN availability / exclusivity wasn't so erratic in the past, I would already have bought this 28 pack and posted about selling those SKINs for the extra ISK.



This in spades!
Myself and a few friends were talking about this the other night.
A couple of us would do it too...
But you just get burned a few weeks or months later by CCP so I think folks are pretty gunshy about dropping this kind of quan for something that will be worthless in game in a few months. Look at the Rorqual and Mack skins in the pack... really, CCP that's all you can come up with?

This makes me think that your marketing folks think it is OK to perpetrate scams on their paying customers.
If your marketing department worked for my company irl, I would fire them.
Never, ever bait and switch the paying customer. This is just bad business. Just wow.

You know what word you need to use. Otherwise, good luck with your sale.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#93 - 2015-12-10 15:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
While I think that the idea of buying 28 plexes is hilarious and find these ship skins terrible I will agree to the above.

CCP needs to learn to be consistent, to be upfront and open in their communication and to stick to their words. If they want to lure in people with those skins (and they obviously do) they will have to unequivocally state that said skins are only to be gotten through high volume plex deals. Would be silly to pin them on a number, next moth the deal could be for 30 plex or perhaps 25, but it would need to be sufficiently high so that their scarcity is retained making their value lasting and warranted.

Then again, CCP's track record in regards to being consistent, upfront, open and sticking to their words isn't all that hot. Perhaps I'm just a negative nancy.
Solecist Project
#94 - 2015-12-10 15:45:28 UTC
I'm still wondering about the skin prices ingame for the cheap 6 plex pack...

Anyone?

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#95 - 2015-12-10 16:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I see people think about investing long term into vanity items. That is bad thinking. These vanity items are to be consumed or sold now for someone to consume, in longer timespan no one can predict what will CCP do that will influence prices. And when you consume SKIN, you cant resell it. As a collector item, rather priceless in collection considering rarity and later rather poor availability, and not destined to be sold, one should not bother asking for how much it will sell later.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Solecist Project
#96 - 2015-12-10 16:55:17 UTC
I just want to drop it onto the market early.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#97 - 2015-12-10 16:55:23 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I see people think about investing long term into vanity items. That is bad thinking. These vanity items are to be consumed or sold now for someone to consume, in longer timespan no one can predict what will CCP do that will influence prices. And when you consume SKIN, you cant sell it. As a collector item, rather priceless in collection considering rarity and later rather poor availability, and not destined to be sold, one should not bother asking for how much it will sold later.


This is EVE, market speculation happens every day with all the things. Everything you buy or sell is affected by it.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#98 - 2015-12-10 17:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I would like to see them speculate, for example, how much you will pay only for a different color for the only one kind of ship in a game where there is no indication on overwiev that you are "special", and majority of players play zoomed out. I dont say its bad investment, I just say its not a good way to speculate on an item of such vanity and scarcity. PLEX is a lot better.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2015-12-10 17:52:56 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I see people think about investing long term into vanity items. That is bad thinking. These vanity items are to be consumed or sold now for someone to consume, in longer timespan no one can predict what will CCP do that will influence prices. And when you consume SKIN, you cant resell it. As a collector item, rather priceless in collection considering rarity and later rather poor availability, and not destined to be sold, one should not bother asking for how much it will sell later.

That's all true and it's related to my point. Those are the reasons why there won't be buyers of these SKINs beyond the first few who just have to own them for reasons. Anyone holding SKINs is going to get burned. Ask me how I know (and any CCPs or GMs curious about my cred, check Reject's assets for a good schadenfreude laugh).

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Solecist Project
#100 - 2015-12-10 17:56:29 UTC
Hell ... should I buy it or not? :/

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia