Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would think like anything, alerts would be something you can opt out of.

Achievements are not only a draw to some players, but they can also help retain players who are working toward achieving those... achievements.

These are the sorts of things that would make good achievements.

Things that encourage people to interact within scram range of each other.

Here's the thing...
the percentage of achievement hunters on steam is insanely small, especially for those that do it for their own enjoyment.
The vast majority of this very small minority's of achievement hunters do it specifically to show others what achievements they've accomplished.
It's kind of like those that strive to get a 100 on every test they take.
There are some that do it because they're perfectionist and have to do it for their own personal enjoyment. Then there are those that love the attention that comes with the achievement of a 100.
However, the VAST majority of the people taking that test are just trying to pass the damn thing.

As far as this goes in Eve, there are plenty of measurable milestones within Eve that very much are achievements.
Your first KM, your 1000th KM, the KM you got from popping a t3 destroyer with an exhumer, mastery lvl 1 on a ship, mastery lvl 5 on a ship, the ability to fly the ship, max skills in a ship.
There's also measurable achievements that you can proudly display to other players, such as the Marauder/Blop/jump freighter to trained so long and gathered a ton of isk for.

In many of these cases, it's more that some random achievement that you got cause you walked 100 miles/flew 100 light years, but it's the knowledge, skill, assets, kills, SP, and many other things that you've gained actually having an effect as opposed to a shiny gold star sticker.

Honestly, some of the achievements I've gotten from games are the most ludicrous things I've ever heard of.
I can't remember what game it was, but I literally got an achievement for sitting down......
I put my digital rump in a chair and I got an achievement for it......
If that's the type of thing that gets you warm and fuzzy than I would actually suggest you play Eve, as opposed to not play.
I mean, if getting an achievement for making your in game character do exactly what your doing is exiting to you, then I can't imagine how exhilarating it would be for them to get into their first frigate.
Hell, imagine how happy that type of person would be to even fully t2 fit their first ship!

The achievement is there. It is on your killboard. Visible for everyone. Available to them to contact you and ask for your story about that kill or available for you to tell a story around that kill, or loss.


That is not necessary. In EVE, you set your own achievements and do not need to rely on the game to give you some statistic or requirement to work towards. You can even receive a badge for your achievements by handing yourself a medal with a nice text (which is basically the achievement that you want). People, who need something like Steam Achievements to work towards something in a game, are unimaginative and not the right type of player that EVE needs. They will not contribute towards the game, they will just do what the game tells them to do and nothing on their own.

Some People like them. So... why not? There are fun ones sometimes.
and if you don't like them: ignore them

You can do that with medals in player corps, as said above. But it requires player action and input, not automatic game mechanics. In fact, these medals and if corps would use them more and more efficiently, would also be a nice draw for players to join or create player corps.

Achievements are a form of manipulation and nothing else.

The whole purpose of Achievements is to make the Achiever believe he achieved something.

Sorry. ;)

The consequences of this are that the Achiever gets a completely wrong idea about accomploshments.
He gets a completely wrong idea about how good he is.

He will compare himself to other people with less achievements ...
... falsely conclude that he can chestbeat about it ...
... and cry like an orphaned kitten next to it's dead kitty mother* when someone rips open his candy rear end for that.


* actually he will rage extremely hard, because he identifies with his achievements,
thus taking any reality check like an ass kick personally.

Achievements exist to manipulate people into a fake **** comparison ...
... and only exist exactly for the purpose to make people believe that ...
... the more they do, the better they are.


I doubt this is what CCP wants, because such players only get their asses handed to them pretty fast.


I wrecked this topic.
Ian beat me to it. :p


You're welcome.

How dare you do this just above my great post you ... you ... spacist!! :P

Haha, I love this show, I need to watch them all again.
Completely forgot this one existed.

Good post, thanks! :D

Games are putting this in because of the "everyone wins a trophy" mindset of the current generation of parents. They know their children, and to some extent they themselves, will never really accomplish anything in life, hence the pile of achievements anyone and everyone can accomplish.

This is eve. You are a cog. Replaceable. Sadly, some people are tools as well, and not very useful ones at that. Like left footed peach de-fuzzers.

Oh I got the point of the video, and the parts of it you wanted me to latch on to are what I'm saying is irrelevant.

Achievements aren't meant to 'add content' to the game, but to attract and retain players and give them some more defined goals in the game outside of the goals that are created by the sandbox and standard game play.

Still, they do add more content to the game than do better engine looks, better scanning effects, and improved anti-aliasing techniques. Things that I and many other players still greatly appreciate CCP continually working on improving.

And if I had been on here months ago suggesting they improve the look of the engine flame, the very same cabal here that poo-poos ALL these ideas would have had the same hissy fit they always have over suggestions like these. And yet CCP knows these things not only attract new players but are also appreciated by existing players, as evidenced by Fan Fests where such changes are always met with oohs, ahhhs, cheers and clapping. (As opposed to "We're adding 10 m/s to base speed of the Tristan).