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Aurum Ship Hull Insurance for (limited issue) ships

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Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#1 - 2011-12-13 11:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zevina
I am probably not the only one sad about the fact that there a some very cool limited issue ships in Eve that never get flown (apart from Alliance Tournament maybe) and rather become dusty in its hangars. The reason is simple, loosing one is WAY to expansive, because there is no way you will ever get one back.

Therefore I have a simple proposition:

Implement the "Aurum Ship Hull Insurance"
It will work on any sub-capital ship currently in Eve
When in hangar you can right click any assembled ship you have and select "Apply Aurum Ship Hull Insurance"
A window pops up stating the aurum cost for the insurance on the particular ship
When confirmed the ship gets an unlimited insurance that will only end upon repackaging or destruction of the ship
When such an insured ship is destroyed the owner of the insurance will get a redeem button on the account to get the insured ship hull back

Pricing suggestion:
1000 Aurum for shuttles (e.g. Interbus Shuttle)
2000 Aurum for frigates (e.g. Freki)
4000 Aurum for cruisers (e.g. Guardian-Vexor)
10000 Aurum für battleships (e.g. Raven State Issue)

So the goal is to have an expansive insurance for special ships that will in no way contradict the current insurance modell or even conflict with the player economy and production. Plus selling such a ship will always cost the former owner the price of the insurance, because the new owner will need to repackage it to apply a new insurance working in his favour.

Okay you can do the math yourself at current pricing:

440 Mil ISK for 1 Plex
1 Plex for 3500 Aurum
So 1000 Aurum is roughly 125 Mil ISK

On the one hand that means right now there is NO standart issue ship within Eve that would be more expansive than the "Aurum Ship Hull Insurance" and on the other hand its still affordable enough (though hurting) to fly and occasionally loose very rare ships.
And because of the fact that Aurum, Plex and ISK are all connected pricing of ships and Plex will slowly regulate itself. Please consider this before screaming "pay to win", because it clearly isnt. ;)

I hope you like the idea and we can all benefit from more interesting and awe inspiring ships crossing us on our journey in space. I for one would love it! :)
Schnoo
The Schnoo
#2 - 2011-12-13 11:44:49 UTC
Your intentions are good but it still goes against the Prime Directive, NEX Store is only made for vanity items, and insurance sure isn't one of those.
And in a way, it is ok. Those ships are made for display more than anything really, best thing to do with them would be to create a museum.
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#3 - 2011-12-13 11:49:20 UTC
Schnoo wrote:
Your intentions are good but it still goes against the Prime Directive, NEX Store is only made for vanity items, and insurance sure isn't one of those.
And in a way, it is ok. Those ships are made for display more than anything really, best thing to do with them would be to create a museum.


Well I understand your concern, but limited issue ships are mostly vanity items. And paying ~125 Million on a Shuttle Insurance and so on is also vanity.
There is no reasonable way this would hurt balance in the game.
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
#4 - 2011-12-13 11:50:54 UTC
Nex is for vanity only, lets pray they stick to that.

and more importantly, what point is there to have super rear ships being unlosable. they have bin flown in the past, they have bin stolen in the past and also lost in the past (looking at you boss)

If you have big balls you take it out of station and people will try everything to get your killmail, cos its something special.
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#5 - 2011-12-13 12:12:24 UTC
Zevina wrote:
destroyment

Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#6 - 2011-12-13 12:29:38 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Zevina wrote:
destroyment



How embarrassing! Will fix that asap.
I am not a native speaker so hopefully you wont judge me too harshly. ;)
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#7 - 2011-12-13 13:45:22 UTC
Zevina wrote:
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Zevina wrote:
destroyment



How embarrassing! Will fix that asap.
I am not a native speaker so hopefully you wont judge me too harshly. ;)


I actually rather wish it was a real word.
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#8 - 2011-12-13 16:49:42 UTC
I would not support this and I believe a majority of the EVE community would not support it either. The limited edition ships are largely vanity items due to their rarity. The stats/bonuses on these ships are borderline broken and placing them on the NEX store would greatly increase their availability, essentially creating a "pay to win" mechanic.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon

Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#9 - 2011-12-13 17:11:35 UTC
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
I would not support this and I believe a majority of the EVE community would not support it either. The limited edition ships are largely vanity items due to their rarity. The stats/bonuses on these ships are borderline broken and placing them on the NEX store would greatly increase their availability, essentially creating a "pay to win" mechanic.


You misunderstood the idea. Its an insurance for ships you already own. So when there are 50 ships issued as tournament prizes there will always and for all time never be more than 50 ships on the server. The insurance only gives you back the ship hull of the insured ship to encourage people who own limited issue ships to actually use them and not keep them locked up in their hangar for all eternity.
mnybag1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-13 18:50:41 UTC
But if, say, a Guardian-Vexor was unkillable, which it would be under this plan, then whoever owns one basically gets an instawinbutton for at least a couple kills because the fits are so broken, and then if he loses it he can just go back and claim another. This also completely ruins the idea of PVP, that is you actually lose your ship. Sure there is insurance, but you have to go find another ship and fittings for it. This way, you always have a broken ship whenever you dock.
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#11 - 2011-12-13 19:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Zevina
mnybag1 wrote:
But if, say, a Guardian-Vexor was unkillable, which it would be under this plan, then whoever owns one basically gets an instawinbutton for at least a couple kills because the fits are so broken, and then if he loses it he can just go back and claim another. This also completely ruins the idea of PVP, that is you actually lose your ship. Sure there is insurance, but you have to go find another ship and fittings for it. This way, you always have a broken ship whenever you dock.


The limited issue ships are better, yes, but not totally broken, more in terms of a T3 cruiser being better than a T2 cruiser. And wining one on a tournament or being able to afford one (you know the contract prices) should result in some benefit I believe.
And mind you, the insurance is a one use insurance. When you loose a ship in combat that was insured this way you will have to renew the insurance for the next time.
Which means every loss of a Guardian-Vexor (cruiser hull 4000 Aurum) for instance will cost you effectively 500 Mil + the fitting, which is not covered by the insurance. You will need to kill A LOT of standard ships to earn or destroy more than 500 Mil ISK in PvP. And in a T3 you will certainly do better than in a Guardian-Vexor.

But essentially yes, in theory if you own a limited issue ship you can use it in all eternity, but every loss will cost you dearly as it should.

So ISK-wise there is effectively no way you can benefit from this change, but it would enable you to enjoy what you won for great fighting or bought for tens of billions and actually fly it in space if you so wish. Its vanity, like having a Rolls Royce when a Toyota will fulfill the same role of driving you from A to B.
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#12 - 2011-12-13 19:59:07 UTC
Zevina wrote:
I am probably not the only one sad about the fact that there a some very cool limited issue ships in Eve that never get flown (apart from Alliance Tournament maybe) and rather become dusty in its hangars.


That's a little sad, but I'd be far more upset if this scheme of yours managed to extinct some of these ships lines. ShockedSad

Better gathering dust than destroyed.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-14 10:36:53 UTC
I agree it is a shame they are not flown more, true they are overpowered but so are many ships and I would not want to see them disappear from the game.

Regarding your proposal, I am not sure if Aurum really needs to be brought into it, traditional but extortionate insurance in the form of ISK may be preferred, also it would need to be returned in the form of a one run BPC, with a long build time say a month or two so you just can’t spam them and should be appropriately difficult and costly to build.

Although I would think having the BPC drop in the wreck would make things quite interesting.Twisted