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(How) Can you trace back an alt?

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Protinium
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#1 - 2015-12-03 16:41:40 UTC
Imagine you have a corp. You acccept a new guy, he seems cool, a nice guy, helps the corp and other players, he eventually goes up the ranks, getting some managing permissions on the way, and then one day... he steals everything.

You find out this char was actually an alt from somebody else. You go on a quest to find who he/she is (the main), but the only info you have is the alt's name... how can you get to the main? What can you use to get him? API keys help? Can you trace any transactions from the alt to the main?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2 - 2015-12-03 16:49:33 UTC
I don't know, some super-sleuth type might be able to help you.

What you can do, however, is not trust people you don't personally know (and maybe not even then). I have people in my alt corp and i've never suffered a loss because I've never kept anything of importance anywhere someone else could get to it. If you need it and I'm not online, buy yourself one (cutting out the need to have me give you something) lol.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#3 - 2015-12-03 16:51:13 UTC
A full API reveals all characters on the same account.

It would also enable you to check wallet transactions to possibly find secondary accounts that might be transferring isk or items.

If the theft already occurred then you killed your chance because they'll kill off that API.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-12-03 16:53:20 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
A full API reveals all characters on the same account.

It would also enable you to check wallet transactions to possibly find secondary accounts that might be transferring isk or items.

If the theft already occurred then you killed your chance because they'll kill off that API.

Assuming he asked for one, this thread would seem to suggest that isn't the case.
Protinium
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#5 - 2015-12-03 16:58:47 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
A full API reveals all characters on the same account.

It would also enable you to check wallet transactions to possibly find secondary accounts that might be transferring isk or items.

If the theft already occurred then you killed your chance because they'll kill off that API.


What you mean a full API? When you create an API you get to choose which character the API is to, and on the items you can choose to show, there's none indicating what other chars you have (at least I can't find one...).

For example, if I give this char API can see what other chars I have?
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#6 - 2015-12-03 17:02:07 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eli Apol wrote:
A full API reveals all characters on the same account.

It would also enable you to check wallet transactions to possibly find secondary accounts that might be transferring isk or items.

If the theft already occurred then you killed your chance because they'll kill off that API.

Assuming he asked for one, this thread would seem to suggest that isn't the case.

Idd, was just pointing out the ways an API would have helped.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#7 - 2015-12-03 17:07:01 UTC
Protinium wrote:
Eli Apol wrote:
A full API reveals all characters on the same account.

It would also enable you to check wallet transactions to possibly find secondary accounts that might be transferring isk or items.

If the theft already occurred then you killed your chance because they'll kill off that API.


What you mean a full API? When you create an API you get to choose which character the API is to, and on the items you can choose to show, there's none indicating what other chars you have (at least I can't find one...).

For example, if I give this char API can see what other chars I have?

Second box down on the API creation screen determines whether it's an account API or just for a single character. as ceo/exec you want to be getting account ones although potentially you might have traders wanting to protect their incomes by supplying individual character accounts with full details and only minimal options shown on their full account API.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-12-03 17:14:28 UTC
If they're good, and assuming they even care enough to take precautions, you probably can't.

API could help, but a savvy infiltrator could trivially have a clean API. It's not like a new account is hard to come by.

The part where he was given permissions sufficient to "steal everything" is where it all went wrong. Don't do that.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-12-03 17:16:16 UTC
Here's the deal:

1B up front, 100M per day to cover expenses, 5B upon completion, and I'll find that ****** for you.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#10 - 2015-12-03 17:17:37 UTC
pretty much as stated above. however, if you believe the guys main might sitll be in yoru corp, you can retoactively ask all members for a full api. Anyone who complains you mark as a suspect. Anyone who quits is most likly your culprit. Most players, if you explain why you are now requiring an api, will hand one over. thouse who don;t you talk to them about it and typically if your honest they will pass it on. or you kick them. *shrugs*

Another way is to send an message to his past ceo's (ceo's of big corps) that might get you info.

if he has only been in yoru corp, then your a bit screwed. if he has been in a small corp (under 10 members) then you have found his alt corp, and that will give you another clue.

If he is careless, you cna use evewho.com to chekc a corps join and part history. that will help you isloate who his alt might be. For exsample, if Dareaper alt and DaReaper were in mega corp a, and DaReaper left on 20/12/2014 at 9:00am and Dareaperalt lefts at 20/12/2014 at 9:01am you have a good case for a possible alt/main parting at the same time.

Just do some sluthing, you will most likly not know for sure, but people are people and at times they do careless things, esp if they had no interntions of ever stealing, and woke up one day and stole.

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Capsuleer Service Executive
Nornir Research
#11 - 2015-12-03 17:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Capsuleer Service Executive
Howdy!

Another layer of security that I had to go through waaay back in the day (for a null-sec corp) was a character selection screenshot.

I had to take a screenie and e-mail it to the CEO before I was accepted. Of course, this too can be manipulated, but in
combination with a full API.....dunno. Doesn't affect any other accounts you may have, but you get the picture.

/cse

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#12 - 2015-12-03 17:52:32 UTC
Never promise access, in fact state at recruitment that access isn't going to happen. Never give people access to more than the effort they put into the corp and on top of that bait them, it's worth it to bait folks with something juicy (while they're under the impression that they'll never get access) for them to steal. Whatever it's worth (as long as it's not silly), it's less than the time you would invest into that person down the line and whatever heist he'll be doing once he does get more access.

Having said that, if you have a sleeper on board then there's pretty much nothing you can do other than never giving out anything. Other than that it's the basic precaution and if you still don't know what those are you are not fit to lead a corp and are in fact a liability to your corp members.
Commander Spurty
#13 - 2015-12-03 17:53:16 UTC
CCP won't give you their login ip address, so you're out of luck matey.

Did no one already say "Welcome to EVE, trust nobody and only undock in what you can afford to lose' yet?

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2015-12-03 17:54:32 UTC
Capsuleer Service Executive wrote:
Howdy!

Another layer of security that I had to go through waaay back in the day (for a null-sec corp) was a character selection screenshot.

I had to take a screenie and e-mail it to the CEO before I was accepted. Of course, this too can be manipulated, but in
combination with a full API.....dunno. Doesn't affect any other accounts you may have, but you get the picture.

/cse


Don't spell out the recruitment process, if you tell them (on your forum or in mail or whatever) what all the steps are they can prepare. Don't tell them anything upfront forcing them to provide info on the fly. A really shrewd one could still prepare anyway but you'll be making it difficult for him.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2015-12-03 20:52:33 UTC
I love these threads.


Getting full APIs help, but a professional infiltrator will have a separate account, and will know how to keep it clean enough to pass scrutiny. When done right, there is no trace of there even being a main somewhere, or that this is an alt, just a newer player trying to make his/her way in New Eden. Its pretty easy to impersonate a new player, and even easier to get a new account. Some can play the long game and wait for months or years in order to score big.

Infiltration, appropriation of others' belongings and redistribution of said belongings is a time honored tradition in Eve, and isnt going anywhere.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#16 - 2015-12-03 21:54:48 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
CCP won't give you their login ip address, so you're out of luck matey


which is why you harvest IPs from forum and comms access, and even that's not enough if the spy knows what they're doing.

any decently skilled infiltrator (eg: the ones you need to worry about) won't be caught out by an API alone.

simplest solution, lock down everything and don't give out more access permissions than you absolutely have to. I've been in my corp for a year and I can only access two of the five corp hangers: the NewBros hanger (full of basic stuff no-one else wants that EVERYONE gets access to on joining) and the POS hanger (usually full of fuel & stront) for helping refuel corp towers.

I don't "need" access to anything else, so I don't have it.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-12-03 23:08:42 UTC
Short answer if he use a clean api and probably he will. Is no you can not find his main.

Long answer you need to trace his friends. Watchlist him see ho is flying with him. And the rest is up to you.
Ginnie
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-12-03 23:14:20 UTC
Personally, I think some people take this stuff way too far. Don't put anything in the corp hanger that you don't want people to take/use/lose. Also you can control what goes into and who has access to each individual hanger.

The CEO of the last player corp I was in went on and on about what he supposedly saw in my full API. First, he didn't know how to use it, so some how I must have given him a fraudulent API (he kept putting my Key ID, but his Code) and then he got all antsy about a couple of corps from several years ago now being closed. It was "suspicious." Also, not having any mail in my inbox was "suspicious."

That kind of attitude wears me out frankly...needless to say, I'll be staying with my NPC corp from now on.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#19 - 2015-12-04 00:07:43 UTC
Prevention is the key, reacting after the fact is pointless, I mean... what are you actually going to do about it once you learn his identity?

If you could exact swift retribution over this, you wouldn't be in a position to need to.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-12-04 04:13:43 UTC
Surely any serious Awoxer infiltrating a Corp would not do so with a character on the same account as his main, if for no other reason then once the character is outed it is semi useless.
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