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Best choice amongst Caldari T2 cruisers
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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-12-14 03:51:28 UTC
Train them all as they're all very good in their own way. If you're going into null for exploration then I'd train for the Onyx first if I were you then the Rook.
Altair Taurus
#22 - 2015-12-15 00:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares...
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-12-16 02:34:13 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares...


The Onyx can do both or you can mount a 1k dps passive shield tank on it if you just want to survive while doing the sites. I'm personally training 2 alts to fly it atm for that purpose.
DTBA Fonulique
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-16 08:18:34 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares...


The Onyx can do both or you can mount a 1k dps passive shield tank on it if you just want to survive while doing the sites. I'm personally training 2 alts to fly it atm for that purpose.

Do you mind sharing the 1k passive shield tank fit?

I am just wondering how it is fit
Altair Taurus
#25 - 2015-12-17 23:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
OK! I've just started 21 days long Onyx training. Let's hope this ship will be more suited for high-sec combat exploration than nerfed Gila and Cerberus and also more usable and fun to fly in low and null sec than Tengu and Astero! Cool
Altair Taurus
#26 - 2015-12-20 20:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
I have compiled interesting Onyx fit for high-sec combat exploration:

[Onyx, High-sec combat exploration]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


All level V stats: 615 dmg/31.2 km (Rage HAMs) & 410 dps/56 km (Javelin HAMs), 1137 dps tank against Guristas & cap stable, overall cost - 475 mil. ISK


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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#27 - 2015-12-20 21:28:00 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
I have compiled interesting Onyx fit for high-sec combat exploration:

On second thought, what this boy can do that Gila can't?
Altair Taurus
#28 - 2015-12-20 22:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship. Their price was similar before Gila's price drop due to nerf. Yet Onyx additionally offers those crazy bubbles & infinite-point/MWD shut down abilities & top-notch tank! Besides after flying Tengu I am more inclined towards missiles than a bit ridiculously overpowered medium drones. To be honest a year ago I flew Gila and Stratios too but I switched to Tengu and now to Onyx.
Altair Taurus
#29 - 2015-12-20 22:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
BTW - could you tell me what Rook not being seen on D-scan without capability to fit cover-ops cloaking device really means???
Valkin Mordirc
#30 - 2015-12-21 06:06:31 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
BTW - could you tell me what Rook not being seen on D-scan without capability to fit cover-ops cloaking device really means???



It's really only limited to your imagination. But you could hide in FW complexes with a friend they would only your friend not the recon thats with him, you can sit off grid near a gate and surprise mofloackes, you can basically be the hard tackle in Wspace. Since no local and no scan makes basically invisible to wormholers. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#31 - 2015-12-21 10:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
not being seen on dscan makes a rook the perfect hunter and with 450dps at its disposal, anything sitting at 0 on a beacon is going to have a bad day

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Zero Conscience
Neurotoxin Control
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#32 - 2015-12-21 10:34:21 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
OK! I've just started 21 days long Onyx training. Let's hope this ship will be more suited for high-sec combat exploration than nerfed Gila and Cerberus Cool



This almost made me laugh out loud and im very depressed right now :P
Altair Taurus
#33 - 2015-12-21 13:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
That interesting! Rook as cloacky ship without cloak. I'll train Rook right after Onyx.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#34 - 2015-12-21 13:16:34 UTC
rook isnt cloaky, it cant fit a cov ops cloak anyway

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Altair Taurus
#35 - 2015-12-21 17:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
I know but it cannot be detected by D-Scan like cloacked ships. However Rook can be combat probed.
Xombo Cadel
Narrowbase Excavation and Consulting
#36 - 2015-12-22 19:17:27 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship.


What am I reading
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#37 - 2015-12-22 19:53:35 UTC
Xombo Cadel wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship.


What am I reading


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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#38 - 2015-12-23 01:47:44 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
A HAM or RLML Rook is really good, you don't fit cancer just go a full tank/tackle fit. It's surprisingly good.

Eagle is largely a fleet ship, not good for Solo ...- valid points-...,


And what about a blaster-kite Eagle with an active tank?

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Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-12-23 04:17:20 UTC
The Gila isn't bad.. And the Onyx isn't an all in one solution to Low Sec and High Sec exploration, why do you think it would be good in Low Sec?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#40 - 2015-12-23 11:26:11 UTC
Ace Lapointe wrote:
The Gila isn't bad.. And the Onyx isn't an all in one solution to Low Sec and High Sec exploration, why do you think it would be good in Low Sec?


But he asked for t2. Pirate is > t2.

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