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Plex per month consumption (universal)
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Xx Nomad
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-12-01 17:38:49 UTC
Recently, at Eve Vegas, there was a beautiful presentation on the economy of the Eve Universe. After watching that presentation a few times I don't believe there was a graph or chart that indicated just how Plex were (are) consumed by the player base per month. (30 day).

Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2015-12-01 17:46:13 UTC
Take one a month, get plenty of rest and try not to PVE too much

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#3 - 2015-12-01 17:59:16 UTC
Xx Nomad wrote:
That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.



I'm quite curious what rate of plex consumption you would consider healthy...

Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun.

Zero plex consumption would be healthy. People are paying their subs, and enjoying a balanced play style where their ISK-consumption (pvp) meets their ISK production (pve). Also all players would appear to consider EVE a game worth their subscription money.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4 - 2015-12-01 18:05:29 UTC
The comment thread for the economic update is the best place to ask this. CCP might not provide that stat, but CCP Quant is more likely to see this if you post it in the official thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6149256&_ga=1.154894456.1743750090.1442478155#post6149256
Budrick3
Moira.
#5 - 2015-12-01 18:11:11 UTC
Can't we get a decent idea of consumption by looking at the thirty day chart on the jita market. I tHink this would provide a good rough estimate.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-12-01 18:15:34 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Can't we get a decent idea of consumption by looking at the thirty day chart on the jita market. I tHink this would provide a good rough estimate.


No, that's just going to show you how many plex were traded. Doesn't tell you a damn thing about how many were consumed.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#7 - 2015-12-01 21:11:04 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
The yearly financials that ccp had subbmitted to the iceland gov (that a player translated and did a report on) stated that:

Looking at the "In-game purchases not yet consumed" line indicates that the US$ value of Plex sitting in hangers has risen from $2.1m to $3.0m. If we assume each Plex costs $15 then that indicates the number of Plex sitting in hangers has risen from 140.5k to 197.7k (using the same methodology in December 2012 there was 71k Plex sitting in hangers).

you cna find that blog here:

http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2015/05/ccp-financial-statements-for-2014-review.html

So baring an official ccp response, that gives you a general idea

so if you run a report of the ammount of plex traded last year, and remove the increase, you can get a rough idea of the amount consumed

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-12-02 03:14:07 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
Xx Nomad wrote:
That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.



I'm quite curious what rate of plex consumption you would consider healthy...

Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun.

Zero plex consumption would be healthy. People are paying their subs, and enjoying a balanced play style where their ISK-consumption (pvp) meets their ISK production (pve). Also all players would appear to consider EVE a game worth their subscription money.

PLEX consumption by volume mess little really.

You could have 100 pieces used a month over 100,000 people or 100 over 10,000. Even the percentage itself is not very useful in of itself. The rate of change would be interesting.

And a healthy rate really depends on personal preference. People tend to forget (or deny) that others actually enjoy or prefer ISK making activities.

And for every guy who is potentially "grinding away" there is another person who is willing to pay extra to play with more.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-12-02 03:23:59 UTC
How did PLEX come to be attached to the "health of EVE"? Frankly, I don't see it.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-12-02 05:22:52 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
Xx Nomad wrote:
That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.



.

Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun.

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Some people just have billions in excess ISK and nothing particular to spend it on so PLEX purely becasue they can.

Just saying.
Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-12-03 01:06:45 UTC
Xx Nomad wrote:
Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.

It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card. We'd need to know both the subscription numbers and the PLEX numbers to know how many active accounts there are.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#12 - 2015-12-03 02:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Apol
Kaska Iskalar wrote:
Xx Nomad wrote:
Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.

It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card.

Or ya know anyone that just thinks £15 a month is more than they want to spend (over the requisite grind/play time they could expend instead).

I'm a 30+ yr old gamer...that plays eve. £30 each month (2 accounts) adds upto a lot of fun I could be having in other titles that might exceed the time it used to take me to 'grind' (/play) for Plexes. And tbh...I have one month left on my subs with a Plex ready on each to resub should I feel like it later but the amount of time I'd have to spend running anoms/incursions, which I find enjoyable at certain doses, has been exceeded...

Too poor to play, nope. Too young to have a credit card, nope. Better things to spend it on (gaming-wise), yep.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-12-03 05:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
Xx Nomad wrote:


That would give us a very good base of the disease of the game.


Fixed

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#14 - 2015-12-03 13:02:52 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
Kaska Iskalar wrote:
Xx Nomad wrote:
Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.

It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card.

Or ya know anyone that just thinks £15 a month is more than they want to spend (over the requisite grind/play time they could expend instead).

I'm a 30+ yr old gamer...that plays eve. £30 each month (2 accounts) adds upto a lot of fun I could be having in other titles that might exceed the time it used to take me to 'grind' (/play) for Plexes. And tbh...I have one month left on my subs with a Plex ready on each to resub should I feel like it later but the amount of time I'd have to spend running anoms/incursions, which I find enjoyable at certain doses, has been exceeded...

Too poor to play, nope. Too young to have a credit card, nope. Better things to spend it on (gaming-wise), yep.


It's nice of you to keep an account subbed for posting on the forums in between playing all these other awesome games.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-12-03 13:50:13 UTC
If people started consuming all those PLEX floating around all of a sudden, it would be pretty bad. Imagine half of the players not paying fees for a few months or so. PLEX being bought and not used are basically a loan to CCP. So, PLEX consumption is tied somewhat to CCPs health, not so much to the health of the game.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-12-03 17:07:37 UTC
I sell about 1 plex every month. I wish I could say the higher prices are making the amount of plex I need decrease but it feels like I just use more flashy ships :(
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#17 - 2015-12-03 18:56:54 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Trevor Dalech wrote:
Xx Nomad wrote:
That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.



I'm quite curious what rate of plex consumption you would consider healthy...

Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun.

Zero plex consumption would be healthy. People are paying their subs, and enjoying a balanced play style where their ISK-consumption (pvp) meets their ISK production (pve). Also all players would appear to consider EVE a game worth their subscription money.

PLEX consumption by volume mess little really.

You could have 100 pieces used a month over 100,000 people or 100 over 10,000. Even the percentage itself is not very useful in of itself. The rate of change would be interesting.

And a healthy rate really depends on personal preference. People tend to forget (or deny) that others actually enjoy or prefer ISK making activities.

And for every guy who is potentially "grinding away" there is another person who is willing to pay extra to play with more.



pretty much. all plex numbers show is how much extra money ccp is getting. for all we know all the plex in game is bought by a single dude.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#18 - 2015-12-03 19:47:31 UTC
CCP has said it themselves, PLEX is their boon and their bane.

It must be a damn good system for the largest MMO in the world to copy it, and several of the smaller ones to also follow suit.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2015-12-04 07:20:21 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
The comment thread for the economic update is the best place to ask this. CCP might not provide that stat, but CCP Quant is more likely to see this if you post it in the official thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6149256&_ga=1.154894456.1743750090.1442478155#post6149256

Damn, scip. lookat you being all helpful and asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#20 - 2015-12-04 07:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Rain6637 wrote:
Damn, scip. lookat you being all helpful and asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk

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