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Amarr Militia: The downfall of a once great army

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#141 - 2016-01-12 23:03:31 UTC
This thread was stillborn and still got to seven pages, Aldiboo. 24th getting another DnG booster shot is unlikely to affect it much. I do question the future mental state of the Empire loyalists and what they're going to have to deal with in fleets and even local. I mean, we've got some absolute pillocks who's arses have been sewn shut and thus only have one thing coming out of their mouths but what's coming from the Empire side in the next weeks or months is going to make our morons look like a candle next to a star.

A little tip, for Empire Loyalists: Put the local stack behind another stack and only let the memberlist peek out like a frightened little pup, for intel purposes. Gives you what you need and hides everything that has the tendency to drive otherwise sane and reasonable people towards the urge to burn the entire cluster.

Well, except Aldiboo. As I understand it he likes to partake.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#142 - 2016-01-12 23:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Indeed, I have grown accustomed to DnG psyops tactics and have chosen to take a few pages from their book. While they are mostly insane, the pilots are rather upbeat and bring a bit of laughter to the grim work we do, injecting some much needed ironic comedic relief to my flagging spirit when I see the sad state of the warzone and humanity at large. I have even taken to posting Scriptures, Imperial propaganda, and a lovely little video file my 4-year-old son made of me blowing up the Minmatar symbol in a Coercer in local channels to class up the usual inundation of gibberish they fill them with.

When you've spent seven years in the Bleak Lands you have to take solace in the little things, no?

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#143 - 2016-01-12 23:50:07 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:

When you've spent seven years in the Bleak Lands you have to take solace in the little things, no?


So, it's bleak in the Bleak Lands, eh ? Well, who'd have thought.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#144 - 2016-01-12 23:59:02 UTC
Well I don't particularly mind seeing Aldiboo degenerate into the addictive and corrosive loquaciousness of the howling apes that surround the Empire loyalists more thoroughly than anything our forces ever could. Nothing could serve us much better in that regard. I merely pity even my enemies the fate of having to suffer through such things.

As I've said before, I would rather lose standing tall and with principles intact rather than win a hollow and empty victory borne only through sacrifice of ideals, principle and example. This proxy war bloodsport is not worth selling what little remains of one's spirit, when I can instead set an example for my people and serve them in that manner.

Dying on one's feet is preferential to living on one's knees. Taking a knee just to gain a hollow victory? Beyond disgusting.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#145 - 2016-01-13 00:32:10 UTC
I believe I do remember a certain Jebi Vjetar who would rile the mindless venom-spitters on the Minmatar side into epileptic spasms that would rival DnG's domination of the local channels. Unfortunately it seems your counter-psyops prototype gave up and died when Sahtogas was retaken. Such a pity. Back to the drawing board, I suppose.

But Mizzy, why so bitter? You Minmatar still hold the overwhelming advantage as far as territory goes, couldn't you at least try to add a bit of perk back to your words? I thought Minmatar were supposed to be spicy, not salty.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#146 - 2016-01-13 00:35:24 UTC
Technically salt's a spice.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#147 - 2016-01-13 00:45:11 UTC
I deny this. It is a mineral and a flavor, quite unlike the other natural food flavoring as it is not grown by slaves; it is mined by slaves.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#148 - 2016-01-13 00:48:31 UTC
What do salt and spices have in common? They both season food.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#149 - 2016-01-13 00:54:12 UTC
::Otto's feed illuminates among the vast streams of data. The awareness that the intergalactic summit was connected to made the hairs on the Ephesian's neck stand on end. It always made him feel nervous and paranoid to broadcast naked and harnessed by an egg. As his conscious awareness intermingled with the A.I. environments parameters and limitations, Ottom Ephesianos stepped into the IGS. Materializing as pixels and shades defined his ancient amarrian visage. Wearing a spider silk duster, breach gear and a captain's customary saber a mug of digital ale in his grip sloshed over the side spilling static and aroma into the infinite.::

Success can be as melancholic as entitlement. This emotion is purposefully remorseful despite conviction in order to dissuade continued practice. It is counter evolutionary to embrace the dangers of war. The mind is not meant to accept war as a state of being otherwise the young and impressionable dream of war. Only the insane think bloodlust an admirable quality.

To the sad state of the Amarr...

The traditional values of pride through comparative intelligence seems too contrived to contemplate in the Amarr Empire. The smokescreen of their theologies has turned into a wall blinding them. They will have to break out of the Empire or be slowly choked of smarts within.

A pacifist would seek mercy selling slaves into freedom as an Amarrian.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#150 - 2016-01-13 01:09:01 UTC
I've already explained my bitterness before in this thread. You know first hand how it is to have your own side infested by certain undesirables. I'm just less willing than you to embrace such creatures as Sansha and Sabik. Principles are a pain in the arse, but I'm not sacrificing them over a proxy war, as I've already said.

I'll leave that to PIE and the rest of the TLF.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#151 - 2016-01-13 01:42:42 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I've already explained my bitterness before in this thread. You know first hand how it is to have your own side infested by certain undesirables. I'm just less willing than you to embrace such creatures as Sansha and Sabik. Principles are a pain in the arse, but I'm not sacrificing them over a proxy war, as I've already said.

I'll leave that to PIE and the rest of the TLF.


I have been flying with the Minmatar Republic and the Tribal Liberation Force for long enough to say that if there are blood rituals in the ranks they are hidden or hearsay. Sometimes lore and reality muddle the truth of a social norm or ancestral commonality. Second generations of any abnormal behavior automatically rebuke self destructive behavior and transform said behavior into rebellious activity. It is less than a few generations before ignorant traditions are manipulated beyond observance. There is no faith and so the continuance is merely political and capitalistic. In those regards the negatives of the lore's affects are departed from spiritual beliefs and used as excuses for progress either by reflection or relapse.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#152 - 2016-01-13 02:28:35 UTC
Mizzy, I do believe you have lost sight of what we should be fighting for. We are not fighting for our own principles and dignity, but for the people who live in the warzone. Namely, to protect them. If you actually thought you'd matter in the grand scheme of national politics and policy, I can see why you'd be embittered. But no, the militias are not the nation they are supposed to represent. The only effect we have is on the lives in the warzone itself, specifically the poor souls who have no choice but to live and work there. I fight to protect Amarrians from Minmatar terrorism and occupation. I will use any cudgel I have on hand to defeat my enemy and achieve that end, unless it is a greater detriment to the total cause, such as the Butcher.

Meanwhile, you should be fighting to protect Minmatar from Amarrian enslavement and oppression, and likewise be using every tool at your disposal to do so. In fact, I do believe you have done so in the past, with terror operations and psyops being conducted by you and your own peers. As far as DnG go, I'd say most of them are less disagreeable than some of the things you have done personally. They may be irritating, but they are not cruel. Well, except edeity's lot, but they'll get theirs soon enough.

So really, stop with this moral high horse bit. That is our schitck, not yours. Just admit you are on the backfoot because you cannot beat DnG and get on with it. Fight harder, not whine harder.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#153 - 2016-01-13 11:00:51 UTC
Oh do come off it, Aldiboo. It's a little late to start pretending system ownership affects anyone's lives but the actual members of the TLF and 24th. Don't worry though. I'm sure you'll find that this "any end justifies any means" attitude of yours won't come to bite you in the arse at any point.

An honest piece of advice though: Save up those "means" for when it actually matters. When you actually can affect something. Dulling the blades and showing all your cards over empty pots is only as satisfying as pissing yourself in a snowstorm. Momentary relief, but ultimately rather stupid.

Perhaps it's a little too late though, if you're already breaking out the "whine" and "moral high horse" nonsense. I didn't really think you'd run out of discourse already, but I suppose I've given you too much credit.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#154 - 2016-01-13 11:30:54 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:

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So really, stop with this moral high horse bit. That is our schitck, not yours. Just admit you are on the backfoot because you cannot beat DnG and get on with it. Fight harder, not whine harder.


You really don't get the moral high ground either, you all are after all slavers, something inherently immoral, but, I am sure you can justify it to yourselves, I know I did long enough so I won't lecture you because it won't help. We are on the backfoot because, well we don't have anywhere close to the amount of pilots your side has.

There isn't much to entice people to enlist over here either, the rewards aren't very good, and haven't been for a long time due to market saturation, there isn't very much structure or leadership, and what is around is largely divided into two groups who seem to have some mutual frustrations with one another. Add to it, the drama of being decried as traitor for attacking Amarrians in providence, or procuring resources outside of the TLF for our people; and that sort of thing scares off lots of recruits who might otherwise want to protect the people of the Republic.

But I will certainly see you around in space Aldrith, For what it is worth, I like you, I felt like you fought for me when I was trying to find my place, but that won't make me go easy on you.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2016-01-13 11:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kador Ouryon
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Oh do come off it, Aldiboo. It's a little late to start pretending system ownership affects anyone's lives but the actual members of the TLF and 24th. Don't worry though. I'm sure you'll find that this "any end justifies any means" attitude of yours won't come to bite you in the arse at any point.

An honest piece of advice though: Save up those "means" for when it actually matters. When you actually can affect something. Dulling the blades and showing all your cards over empty pots is only as satisfying as pissing yourself in a snowstorm. Momentary relief, but ultimately rather stupid.

Perhaps it's a little too late though, if you're already breaking out the "whine" and "moral high horse" nonsense. I didn't really think you'd run out of discourse already, but I suppose I've given you too much credit.


It's not exactly like you have a great deal to fall back yourself Mizhara.... I mean your track record for actually being able to conquer the warzone is...... it's non-existent.

So much for 'you' being able to affect a meaningful change.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2016-01-13 11:44:54 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
For what it is worth, I like you, I felt like you fought for me when I was trying to find my place, but that won't make me go easy on you.


Same can be said from me to you on the few occasions we've met and you've treated myself and Satja well considering your stance on the morality of our culture and complexities of our relationship.

I somewhat understand why you fight but at times I wish you wouldn't so adamantly.... and you should know better than anyonewhy that is.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#157 - 2016-01-13 11:50:51 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:


It's not exactly like you have a great deal to fall back yourself Mizhara.... I mean the Minmatar Militia's track record for actually being able to conquer the warzone is.... wait.... it's non-existent...

So much for 'you' being able to affect a meaningful change.



In the Militias? Certainly not. If you'd actually comprehended basic text, you'd note that I've always said militia progress affects nothing. Even the post you quote says it. Meaningful changes I've accomplished have almost always been on personal levels with my clan, or through extreme measures outside the militias.

If you'd like to argue against my accomplishments, I suggest picking ones where we aren't already in agreement.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#158 - 2016-01-13 16:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Always sad to see people resorting to ad personam when their argument fails.
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#159 - 2016-01-13 21:08:34 UTC
MIzzy?
Aldiboo?

....Anyhow.... I will correct Captain Shutaq and say - no, you should not be fighting against the Amarr. Do everyone a service by returning to your home. The less time that must be spent repelling invaders of Amarr space - that would be you, Minmatar - means more time for my own family to be together.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#160 - 2016-01-13 21:11:28 UTC
It was almost Aldipoo, but I think the average reading comprehension of the IGS would lead to the belief it was scatological in nature.