Intergalactic Summit

What part of what I said upset you so much that you need to insult me?

Mathematics are widely utilised in applied sciences like physics and chemistry. They are used to design an engine that won't turn your ship into a fireball in the middle of the flight. They're used when you traverse the universe in a FTL speed. Possibly time too. Every tool that you use, your clothes, even your shampoo - mathematics have come into designing it at some point.

On the other hand, philosophers fail to answer simple questions such as "is the glass half-empty or is it half-full".

Let me ask you this: what is the value of art?

And yet, mathematics couldn't be more theory, and abstract. Mathematics in themselves, are NOT applied science. They are, however, used as a tool in applied sciences, as you say.

Philosophy originates from the same exact roots, and uses the same exact abstracts tools, especially the use of reason and logic.

Without those fundamental bases, your applied sciences have very little value, if none at all. Empiricism is nice and good, but to a certain point.

I think you would like to consider also that by your statement, you basically tell that every spiritual matter is in even worse state, being Amarr Faith, Cold Wind, or anything else, really.

Well, not believing in such things is an opinion I guess..

Artist are freely creative self producing by my definition.
Artist produce / create "work" themselves and do not have a "hourly wage"
Value others place upon art is subjective at best

A Brutor in the subway station playing a instrument.
The performer is never sure what will be offered in a open case while they play to passers by.
how long they preform is also their choice .

Your definition of art sounds like "State Produced art"
From a totalitarian government.

Easy question: hardly...

I am art.
I am a professional.

What am I worth ? ...
... and should it be measured per hour, or by session?

Do I get paid more if my art is more satisfying than the art of others?

I am sorry, where we talking about Art? I thought it was about philosophy...

Now, mathematics change to suit sciences? How can you even state something like that? Your rocket orbit has been possible to describe exactly because there was mathematical theory behind already, that had to be applied to that specific case of applied sciences.


Edit: I can answer more thoroughly on art though.

Art is a loaded word that applies to many things that have very few in common, and is also loaded with history. Way before our modern societies, art was inseparable from craftsmanship and the actual word actually bore very little value, for that only creations made out in an utilitarian context really existed. Thus Art encompassed everything that was man made, and not created by nature. As such, Art always followed rules, and method. Any carpenter would do like any musician, or painter: follow rules. It can be said that like for applied sciences, this is applied art.

It is, after all, not that far from what is already in the Caldari society, but I would be cautious with such sweeping generalizations as well here. I am pretty sure that the State have their own form of art.

Can it be argued that it still has an utilitarian value? Definitely. Entertainment in itself, has utility on the societal level. So, does Art brings something to the society as a whole? Yes.

Then, there is fine arts. Fine arts as a whole holds very little utilitarian value besides a vague entertainment: awaking the feeling of what is beautiful. If applied arts have a high limit defined by the purpose of the creation, expecting it to be well realized and the most fitting to use, that limit is the lowest limit for fine arts: we expect not only such creations to be well realized with a technical perfection, but we also expect them to pass on an abstract feeling of the beautiful. It is not simply here about aesthetic value alone.

Two schools of thought exist in that regard as to define what is beautiful:

- One states that it is inherent to the object or the creation itself, and that is what predominates in early history. It means that beauty is objective.

- The other states that beauty is subjective to the individual, and not inherent to an object. It does not mean that beauty is necessarily subjective though (as opposed to what is pleasant). It is a more modern conception of fine arts.

In any case, do fine arts have no utility at all?

No. Besides the little entertaining value it still holds for connoisseurs, it is a reflection of the spirit of man. As such, you can learn from it. As such, it can be part of human sciences at the side of psychology or History. It is an equally important part of the Amarr and Gallente societies, but not only.

There were not standing orders "not to engage" HB. There isn't anyone in any position in the Minmatar milita that could even give or enforce an order like that. The Truth is, HB at one point swelled to surpassing over 400 members in 9 corporation (don't believe me check dotlan on the galnet) and that meant that fleets were fielded that were so much larger than what the Minmatar could field. It was very simple from at least the Matari Safari perspective (Khushakor Clan's alliance back then), that all we were going to do was kite and pick of ships from much larger fleets, and that is exactly what we did.

This is what happens when you grow so big, so quickly. It is easy to blame your enemies, but there are no conspiracies here, individual alliances and FCs largely do their own thing, Tribalism is very strong in the TLF (who would have known?), but that means that we couldn't have even had standing milita wide orders even if we had wanted to. I can think of only one FC who I can quote as saying to "blueball or helldunk" HB and they are certainly not in my alliance.

I would say, Diana, that you have very exactly calculated the cost of Art, but not the value of it.

The value of Art, as everyone knows, is the sum of money that someone will pay for it on the open market.

The Amarr militia will never fall if people from Null sec lose space and come back to the dying Empire.

If what I said is abstract, I think you are looking too deeply into it.