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Amarr Militia: The downfall of a once great army

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-11-29 00:51:17 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

Kimbelina there is basically claiming that the Caldari State will hunt down TLF members in the Republic's sovereign space, outside of the sanctioned combat zone, in direct violation of the Yulai Accords.

Edit to add: Also, what don't you get about our wars? I'd be happy to explain.

Only an ignorant would claim that hunting TLF members in any space is a violation of the "Yulai Accords", since the Protectorate and TLF are in CONCORD-sanctioned WAR, and killing them right in the Pator wouldn't attract neither CONCORD retaliatory force, nor would even mark you as a suspect.

Arrendiot, your place is not in the Intergalactic Summit, but in the rookie chat. They will teach you about Concord-sanctioned wars and rules of engagement.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-11-29 01:01:11 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

Ugh, don't know why I'm telling you this, really I don't..........

Within my first week in the TLF, I joined a few people in jumping someone who shot up one of us in abudon. We were looking for the guy, I was the only one not blindly warping to every celestial, choosing to use my directional scanner and find the guy. My info given was "(insert name here) in a thrasher." I found a thrasher on D scan, reported it to the rest of the fleet and got accused of being a spy (I didn't know we had a thrasher in fleet, someone switched out of a talwar into one). Well they decided to proclaim it in the militia channel and for a few weeks I got booted from fleets or denied entry into them. That didn't stop until I joined a corp that was in a well known alliance (UK, but they joined HASH the day I joined my corp). I learned alot there (honestly just about everything I know from that alliance, they are the best out there and I am more greatful than you can imagine for how much they went out of their way to mold me into the pilot I am today) and more importantly I got recognition for being loyal to our cause. What I'm telling you is simple. If your a nobody you'll be treated as a threat. Any group you join it will be that way. Stick it out and prove your devotion to your cause, sooner or later it will be you questioning the new pilots and wondering why you DIDN'T before. Take it from me or don't, just stay off my overview for your own sake.


I understand the concern for infiltrated agents within the Militia. What I dont understand is the continuous disregard and lack of respect torwards new Militia members.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2015-11-29 01:14:58 UTC
Mika Snow wrote:

I understand the concern for infiltrated agents within the Militia. What I dont understand is the continuous disregard and lack of respect torwards new Militia members.

Infiltration is a huge part of it, getting your fleet killed due to inexperience is another. Being content with almost being successful as opposed to only accepting success are far from each other. If I had to choose to fill the last spot in my fleet with someone who is recognized as being devoted to their people and maybe not the best pilot verses someone full of **** and vinegar, who im scratching my head about who this "super devoted" person who nobody knows is and hasn't fired on another capsuleers, who would I choose? No one wants to lose their crew or their system or their fight. What you should do is show your ability, show your devotion to your comrades. Your being tested the moment you undock for any militia, its not a hard test but it at the same time isn't a short one either. Put the time in....
Arrendis
TK Corp
#24 - 2015-11-29 01:23:38 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Only an ignorant would claim that hunting TLF members in any space is a violation of the "Yulai Accords", since the Protectorate and TLF are in CONCORD-sanctioned WAR, and killing them right in the Pator wouldn't attract neither CONCORD retaliatory force, nor would even mark you as a suspect.

Arrendiot, your place is not in the Intergalactic Summit, but in the rookie chat. They will teach you about Concord-sanctioned wars and rules of engagement.


Sorry there, El Kimino, but according to your claim:

El Kimino wrote:

Every enemy will be hunted down, stalked and eliminated, whenever they would try to hide from Caldari justice, would it be low security space, null security space or even their own high security space. Nobody will evade the Caldari wrath and everybody will pay what is due!


Even a pilot who leaves the TLF and is no longer with the militia 'will be hunted down' - otherwise, they'd 'evade the Caldari wrath' and not 'pay what is due'.

And really, you're still working on the first name? Still haven't come up with so much as a second shot? Weak.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2015-11-29 01:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Air in this..... Head?
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2015-11-29 01:33:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Only an ignorant would claim that hunting TLF members in any space is a violation of the "Yulai Accords", since the Protectorate and TLF are in CONCORD-sanctioned WAR, and killing them right in the Pator wouldn't attract neither CONCORD retaliatory force, nor would even mark you as a suspect.

Arrendiot, your place is not in the Intergalactic Summit, but in the rookie chat. They will teach you about Concord-sanctioned wars and rules of engagement.


Sorry there, El Kimino, but according to your claim:

El Kimino wrote:

Every enemy will be hunted down, stalked and eliminated, whenever they would try to hide from Caldari justice, would it be low security space, null security space or even their own high security space. Nobody will evade the Caldari wrath and everybody will pay what is due!


Even a pilot who leaves the TLF and is no longer with the militia 'will be hunted down' - otherwise, they'd 'evade the Caldari wrath' and not 'pay what is due'.

And really, you're still working on the first name? Still haven't come up with so much as a second shot? Weak.


Why, oh why are you trying to demand integrity from someone whose attention-span is measured in micro-squirrels?

Seriously, Kimmie is like a machine on the fritz - every time her mind attempts to analyze something, the watchdog resets her back to the primary subroutine of "speak mean things about the Gallente and any allies, even when they're not actually allies. Or aligned with the Federation in any way shape or form."

One could think that she's actually an artificial person - might have been an officer some years back, but now it's a replicant that took its place. Mm - with the Gallente Federation specializing in amazing propaganda techniques, I'd wager she was programmed to behave in a way that puts State soldiers in a bad light. I wonder if we took her apart we'd find circuits with the very characteristic Caille branding...

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2015-11-29 01:37:34 UTC
Are in 'dis.....
Arrendis
TK Corp
#28 - 2015-11-29 01:48:25 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Air in this..... Head?


She's better than you at this, Kimbuktu.
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#29 - 2015-11-29 01:49:34 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
]My observations in the warzone contradict this. Habitual Chaos seem to be an effective fighting force under a good fleet commander in Mira deVorsha. I was a nobody, one to three days in the 24th IC, and they let me in their fleet AND on comms. Yes, sure, there were usual remarks that this one is certainly a spy, and I was kicked once for being in a pod in Amarr when the fleet was leaving, but it was obviously justified, and after that they let me in again. So, no.


My experiences in the Crusade have mirrored yours rather well, though most of the fleets I was in with Habitual Chaos were led by Odysseus Olacar. I have been treated with nothing less than respect and patience as someone new to capsuleer militia service, and found myself frequently being invited to HC fleets simply because my Neocom registered as "online."

I imagine the relatively short time since your license was granted and your joining of the militia has something to do with the response you got; I've yet to see any "awoxing" in a HC fleet that was not in self-defense of one of our fleetmates.

In fact, it is CVA who I have seen attacking pilots registered with the Crusade in our fleets.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2015-11-29 01:55:26 UTC
And this is why the CVA must be destroyed! Don't you agree, Harerendis?
Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-11-29 02:45:28 UTC
Indira Harashani

My experiences in the Crusade have mirrored yours rather well, though most of the fleets I was in with Habitual Chaos were led by Odysseus Olacar. I have been treated with nothing less than respect and patience as someone new to capsuleer militia service, and found myself frequently being invited to HC fleets simply because my Neocom registered as "online."

I imagine the relatively short time since your license was granted and your joining of the militia has something to do with the response you got; I've yet to see any "awoxing" in a HC fleet that was not in self-defense of one of our fleetmates.

In fact, it is CVA who I have seen attacking pilots registered with the Crusade in [i wrote:
our[/i] fleets.


My experience is the opposite. And I suspect you were affiliated with them or some of their members before joining the militia in some way.

Anyways, I stand by my views until proved otherwise.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#32 - 2015-11-29 02:52:07 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
And this is why the CVA must be destroyed! Don't you agree, Harerendis?


Mmmm, I dunno about destroyed, but I'd certainly get a giggle out of seeing CVA set upon by the reclaimers.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2015-11-29 03:02:04 UTC
You don't like burning provi, arsondis?
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#34 - 2015-11-29 03:17:46 UTC
Mika Snow wrote:
My experience is the opposite. And I suspect you were affiliated with them or some of their members before joining the militia in some way.


Aside from knowing one or two pilots among PIE who introduced me, no. I had no prior affiliations with them or theirs. I have been busy tending to things at home of late, as it happens, and have not had the time to fly much in the last several weeks save some work with the (not-Upwell) Consortium regarding the Drifters.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Arrendis
TK Corp
#35 - 2015-11-29 04:54:51 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
You don't like burning provi, arsondis?


Eh, it's not a thing to me, really. It was a good way to learn the new warfare-style, but really, they've never done anything to us, and they're pretty far from home.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#36 - 2015-11-29 08:57:58 UTC
Mika Snow wrote:

My experience is the opposite. Two days in the Militia and I was awoxed by Mira deVorsha when helping the Militia conquer a system and after a myriad of different reasons to why he did it, we've come to terms. After this incident, I took part in one other fleet, a suicide fleet, and have been an outcast ever since.

Wait what, didn't Mira ask you to reposition multiple times and you just ignored every command and acted like a complete spy so you got blaped for that.

Mika Snow wrote:

It's with a heavy heart I say this, but the Amarr Militia is a shadow of its former self. I used to see majestic fleets comprising of different capsuleers from different corporations, including the 24th Imperial Crusade, but now the majority of fleets you see are under one ticker. Currently it is ran by an alliance, Habitual Chaos, who excels in awoxing fellow militia members and outcasting anyone that is new to the Militia. This goes against the core purpose of a Militia, an army compopsed of fighters and citizens of the Empire, not to mention it ruins the experience of every capsuleer who joins. I see and talk with many capsuleers who share my point of view.


Also I do have to ask how do you know that something changed, were you in 24th for a long time before?
Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-11-29 10:13:29 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Wait what, didn't Mira ask you to reposition multiple times and you just ignored every command and acted like a complete spy so you got blaped for that.


I wasn't asked to reposition once, I was shot without warning and after reimbursed for my loss and only then asked to leave the system. You need to get your facts straight. But that is not the purpose of this post anyways, I'm talking about the global feeling I get from the Militia. And the results are out there for everyone to see.

Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Also I do have to ask how do you know that something changed, were you in 24th for a long time before?


And yes, I did fight alongside the 24th a long time ago under a different name, so I do know what I am talking about.

I have no interest in making up stories, I'm simply stating my experience and point of view.
Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2015-11-29 10:18:40 UTC
Indira Harashani wrote:
Mika Snow wrote:
My experience is the opposite. And I suspect you were affiliated with them or some of their members before joining the militia in some way.


Aside from knowing one or two pilots among PIE who introduced me, no. I had no prior affiliations with them or theirs. I have been busy tending to things at home of late, as it happens, and have not had the time to fly much in the last several weeks save some work with the (not-Upwell) Consortium regarding the Drifters.


The fact that you were introduced by a well respected corp within the Militia is enough for a change of attitude by their part.
morion
Lighting Build
#39 - 2015-11-29 10:37:19 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#40 - 2015-11-29 11:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
Mika Snow wrote:

I wasn't asked to reposition once, I was shot without warning and after reimbursed for my loss and only then asked to leave the system. You need to get your facts straight. But that is not the purpose of this post anyways, I'm talking about the global feeling I get from the Militia. And the results are out there for everyone to see.

Ok ... what is the problem then if you were reimbursed, mistakes happen, let bygones be bygones and move on. "After all, we are fighting torwards the same goal, are we not?"

Also what is the purpose of your post or what are you trying to achieve with your OP?


Mika Snow wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Also I do have to ask how do you know that something changed, were you in 24th for a long time before?


And yes, I did fight alongside the 24th a long time ago under a different name, so I do know what I am talking about.

I have no interest in making up stories, I'm simply stating my experience and point of view.

Then as a former pilot of 24th you should know better, respect and trust are not given willy-nilly they are earned and proven time and time again.