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Amarr Militia: The downfall of a once great army
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Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-11-28 22:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mika Snow
It's with a heavy heart I say this, but the Amarr Militia is a shadow of its former self. I used to see majestic fleets comprising of different capsuleers from different corporations, including the 24th Imperial Crusade, but now the majority of fleets you see are under one ticker. Currently it is ran by an alliance, Habitual Chaos, who excels in awoxing fellow militia members and outcasting anyone that is new to the Militia. This goes against the core purpose of a Militia, an army compopsed of fighters and citizens of the Empire, not to mention it ruins the experience of every capsuleer who joins. I see and talk with many capsuleers who share my point of view.

My personal experience in the Militia has been nothing but atrocious and is becoming apparent that something has to change.

Let this letter be a eye opener for the current "leadership" and a warning for future recruits.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#2 - 2015-11-28 22:37:28 UTC
YAY!

Also, I'm sure your well aware the TLF is willing to recruit anyone..... That doesn't mean we'll trust you however. Never know, couldn't hurt right?
Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-11-28 22:52:09 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
YAY!

Also, I'm sure your well aware the TLF is willing to recruit anyone..... That doesn't mean we'll trust you however. Never know, couldn't hurt right?


At the moment we are employed by Khanid II to help the Amarr Empire in the war effort and will continue to do so, for the time being, despite the obstacles pointed out.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-11-28 23:01:30 UTC
I would also like to remind everyone that TLF is official enemy of Caldari State.

Those, who will join enemies of the State or will support or help them, are to be destroyed on sight. Every enemy will be hunted down, stalked and eliminated, whenever they would try to hide from Caldari justice, would it be low security space, null security space or even their own high security space. Nobody will evade the Caldari wrath and everybody will pay what is due!

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2015-11-28 23:03:01 UTC
Meh.... Worth a shot I guess...
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2015-11-28 23:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Diana Kim wrote:
I would also like to remind everyone that TLF is official enemy of Caldari State.

Those, who will join enemies of the State or will support or help them, are to be destroyed on sight. Every enemy will be hunted down, stalked and eliminated, whenever they would try to hide from Caldari justice, would it be low security space, null security space or even their own high security space. Nobody will evade the Caldari wrath and everybody will pay what is due!

Glory to the State!

When was the state brought up?

I guess this would be the right time to say..... YES the Federation still exists, fighting some fight, the good fight or whatever against the State for..... You know.... Reasons and such. The 24IC is their enemy, for more reasons than the caldari are to the Matari. Thank you, and may your ancestors bless you.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#7 - 2015-11-28 23:08:54 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
When was the state brought up?


Kimmie just wants to make sure everyone knows that fighting for the Tribes means she'll say mean things about them on the IGS while she sends imaginary assassination squads into Heimatar.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-11-28 23:17:25 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
When was the state brought up?


Kimmie just wants to make sure everyone knows that fighting for the Tribes means she'll say mean things about them on the IGS while she sends imaginary assassination squads into Heimatar.

I am not a "Kimmie" for you. It is "Strike Commander Diana Kim", or have you difficulty reading the name and insignia, goon? Missed basic reading classes?

Leave your stupid familiarity to your low-life cronies. I am neither your friend, nor equal. I am Caldari Officer, and you are insignificant goon, just a speck of dirt below my boot, who stink and spread goon-grade ignorances.

Just to show that Arrendis is nothing but a lying goon, I would like to point out, that just today one TLF member was hunted down. His ship was destroyed. The pilot was executed on the spot. His survived crewmembers were imprisoned and currently await transfer to the MIO of Amarr Empire. Details could be found on public combat records. Pilot name was "GanibalVictor".

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2015-11-28 23:21:18 UTC
Right...... Soldiers in a war died. Surviving ones were imprisoned. That's a novel concept...
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-11-28 23:26:56 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Right...... Soldiers in a war died. Surviving ones were imprisoned. That's a novel concept...

Really?.. If that's a novel concept, were you sleeping last several thousands of years?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2015-11-28 23:35:33 UTC
Your saying that you did something that happens daily by people incliding myself and her i think (dont know what goons do with "pows" for lack of a better name since half their wars i dont get) to prove someone was a liar. The imaginary hit squad thing I didn't really get honestly...
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2015-11-28 23:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
Mika Snow wrote:
Currently it is ran by an alliance, Habitual Chaos, who excels in awoxing fellow militia members and outcasting anyone that is new to the Militia. This goes against the core purpose of a Militia, an army compopsed of fighters and citizens of the Empire, not to mention it ruins the experience of every capsuleer who joins. I see and talk with many capsuleers who share my point of view.

My personal experience in the Militia has been nothing but atrocious and is becoming apparent that something has to change.

Let this letter be a eye opener for the current "leadership" and a warning for future recruits.
My observations in the warzone contradict this. Habitual Chaos seem to be an effective fighting force under a good fleet commander in Mira deVorsha. I was a nobody, one to three days in the 24th IC, and they let me in their fleet AND on comms. Yes, sure, there were usual remarks that this one is certainly a spy, and I was kicked once for being in a pod in Amarr when the fleet was leaving, but it was obviously justified, and after that they let me in again. So, no.

(On second thought, they may have decided that I'm an associate of someone in PIE because of my old PIE anniversary trinket, but never the less...)
Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2015-11-28 23:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Deitra Vess wrote:
Your saying that you did something that happens daily by people incliding myself and her i think (dont know what goons do with "pows" for lack of a better name since half their wars i dont get) to prove someone was a liar. The imaginary hit squad thing I didn't really get honestly...


We don't shoot or capture baseliner lifeboats - crew who survive are free to go.

As for the 'imaginary hit squads'... it was a reference to:

Diana Kim wrote:

or even their own high security space


Kimbelina there is basically claiming that the Caldari State will hunt down TLF members in the Republic's sovereign space, outside of the sanctioned combat zone, in direct violation of the Yulai Accords.

Edit to add: Also, what don't you get about our wars? I'd be happy to explain.
Spero Ohmiras
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-11-29 00:00:12 UTC
Sounds as though the CEMWPA treaty is working as intended.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2015-11-29 00:10:12 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Your saying that you did something that happens daily by people incliding myself and her i think (dont know what goons do with "pows" for lack of a better name since half their wars i dont get) to prove someone was a liar. The imaginary hit squad thing I didn't really get honestly...


We don't shoot or capture baseliner lifeboats - crew who survive are free to go.

As for the 'imaginary hit squads'... it was a reference to:

Diana Kim wrote:

or even their own high security space


Kimbelina there is basically claiming that the Caldari State will hunt down TLF members in the Republic's sovereign space, outside of the sanctioned combat zone, in direct violation of the Yulai Accords.

Edit to add: Also, what don't you get about our wars? I'd be happy to explain.

Glad to hear that about baseliners, and thanks for the clarification. As far as the majority of them, aside from the fountain war, the war with BOB, and all the other well known ones, half the ones I know of just seemed like "team A was bored so they invaded team b," like what was the point of the fights with Black Legion last year (had a few battles but the battle of I think it was CCP-US, where cfc lost one capital class ship and Black Legion lost like 3, only reason I remember it was because I was in a claw for it)? Probably part of the "line members don't need to know everything" thing which I can't say I don't understand. It's just from the outside looking in in hind sight, what was the point?
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#16 - 2015-11-29 00:19:15 UTC
I won't cry. As Vess said, I'm sure the TLF wouldn't mind more people, as long as they don't support the holding of slaves.

And as always, the State Protectorate will accept any honorable (and probably more than a few scoundrelous) eggers ready to give no inch against the Gallente. We could have used a few dozen more pilots to defend Pav, but we sure gave a hell of a fight anyways.

Arekaini-ya saaja!

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Mika Snow
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-11-29 00:20:44 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Mika Snow wrote:
Currently it is ran by an alliance, Habitual Chaos, who excels in awoxing fellow militia members and outcasting anyone that is new to the Militia. This goes against the core purpose of a Militia, an army compopsed of fighters and citizens of the Empire, not to mention it ruins the experience of every capsuleer who joins. I see and talk with many capsuleers who share my point of view.

My personal experience in the Militia has been nothing but atrocious and is becoming apparent that something has to change.

Let this letter be a eye opener for the current "leadership" and a warning for future recruits.
My observations in the warzone contradict this. Habitual Chaos seem to be an effective fighting force under a good fleet commander in Mira deVorsha. I was a nobody, one to three days in the 24th IC, and they let me in their fleet AND on comms. Yes, sure, there were usual remarks that this one is certainly a spy, and I was kicked once for being in a pod in Amarr when the fleet was leaving, but it was obviously justified, and after that they let me in again. So, no.

(On second thought, they may have decided that I'm an associate of someone in PIE because of my old PIE anniversary trinket, but never the less...)


My experience is the opposite. Two days in the Militia and I was awoxed by Mira deVorsha when helping the Militia conquer a system and after a myriad of different reasons to why he did it, we've come to terms. After this incident, I took part in one other fleet, a suicide fleet, and have been an outcast ever since.

However, when I speak I don't do it just on my behalf, but also on those who I keep seeing in Militia comms getting the same treatment.

After all, we are fighting torwards the same goal, are we not?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#18 - 2015-11-29 00:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Quote:
Glad to hear that about baseliners, and thanks for the clarification. As far as the majority of them, aside from the fountain war, the war with BOB, and all the other well known ones, half the ones I know of just seemed like "team A was bored so they invaded team b," like what was the point of the fights with Black Legion last year (had a few battles but the battle of I think it was CCP-US, where cfc lost one capital class ship and Black Legion lost like 3, only reason I remember it was because I was in a claw for it)? Probably part of the "line members don't need to know everything" thing which I can't say I don't understand. It's just from the outside looking in in hind sight, what was the point?


For the most part, our wars (other than Fountain) have been defensive in nature over the last few years. When we went to war with Northern Coalition. in Tribute three years ago, it was in response to a treaty violation where they attacked our Technetium moons.

The next war after that was Fountain, which was due to economic necessity - and we'd tried to avoid it by cutting a deal with TEST, but they double-crossed us on the deal, which left us few options and little incentive to find more. After that came the Halloween War, where NCdot attacked our allies in SOLAR FLEET and we came to their aid, and then we've spent the last year and a half fending off periodic attacks on Delve, then Fountain, and most recently, Pure Blind.

As a result, we've decided to stop being reactive, and instead to actively engage our enemies out here. If space is going to be set ablaze, it'll be theirs, not ours. And as they have a reasonable portion of their wealth tied up in lowsec moon harvesting, well, that gets to burn, as well.

As for the action last year in YA0, CCP, and other parts of Deklein, well... when CONCORD announced the new jump safety systems that were going in, it seems some of our enemies decided they had no reason not to suicide their capital ships. It's not a route I'd have chosen, but... when they attacked, we defended. We lost a fair number of battleships during one such encounter, but overall, held our own reasonably well. . . other than the one titan that died because the pilot accidentally shut down the defensive systems at the wrong moment.

((pilot shuts down boosts, titan shields go negative, game decides 'that can't exist!' and blows it up. Pretty damned hilarious.))
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2015-11-29 00:40:16 UTC
Mika Snow wrote:


My experience is the opposite. Two days in the Militia and I was awoxed by Mira deVorsha when helping the Militia conquer a system and after a myriad of different reasons to why he did it, we've come to terms. After this incident, I took part in one other fleet, a suicide fleet, and have been an outcast ever since.

However, when I speak I don't do it just on my behalf, but also on those who I keep seeing in Militia comms getting the same treatment.

After all, we are fighting torwards the same goal, are we not?

Ugh, don't know why I'm telling you this, really I don't..........

Within my first week in the TLF, I joined a few people in jumping someone who shot up one of us in abudon. We were looking for the guy, I was the only one not blindly warping to every celestial, choosing to use my directional scanner and find the guy. My info given was "(insert name here) in a thrasher." I found a thrasher on D scan, reported it to the rest of the fleet and got accused of being a spy (I didn't know we had a thrasher in fleet, someone switched out of a talwar into one). Well they decided to proclaim it in the militia channel and for a few weeks I got booted from fleets or denied entry into them. That didn't stop until I joined a corp that was in a well known alliance (UK, but they joined HASH the day I joined my corp). I learned alot there (honestly just about everything I know from that alliance, they are the best out there and I am more greatful than you can imagine for how much they went out of their way to mold me into the pilot I am today) and more importantly I got recognition for being loyal to our cause. What I'm telling you is simple. If your a nobody you'll be treated as a threat. Any group you join it will be that way. Stick it out and prove your devotion to your cause, sooner or later it will be you questioning the new pilots and wondering why you DIDN'T before. Take it from me or don't, just stay off my overview for your own sake.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2015-11-29 00:49:16 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Quote:
Glad to hear that about baseliners, and thanks for the clarification. As far as the majority of them, aside from the fountain war, the war with BOB, and all the other well known ones, half the ones I know of just seemed like "team A was bored so they invaded team b," like what was the point of the fights with Black Legion last year (had a few battles but the battle of I think it was CCP-US, where cfc lost one capital class ship and Black Legion lost like 3, only reason I remember it was because I was in a claw for it)? Probably part of the "line members don't need to know everything" thing which I can't say I don't understand. It's just from the outside looking in in hind sight, what was the point?


For the most part, our wars (other than Fountain) have been defensive in nature over the last few years. When we went to war with Northern Coalition. in Tribute three years ago, it was in response to a treaty violation where they attacked our Technetium moons.

The next war after that was Fountain, which was due to economic necessity - and we'd tried to avoid it by cutting a deal with TEST, but they double-crossed us on the deal, which left us few options and little incentive to find more. After that came the Halloween War, where NCdot attacked our allies in SOLAR FLEET and we came to their aid, and then we've spent the last year and a half fending off periodic attacks on Delve, then Fountain, and most recently, Pure Blind.

As a result, we've decided to stop being reactive, and instead to actively engage our enemies out here. If space is going to be set ablaze, it'll be theirs, not ours. And as they have a reasonable portion of their wealth tied up in lowsec moon harvesting, well, that gets to burn, as well.

As for the action last year in YA0, CCP, and other parts of Deklein, well... when CONCORD announced the new jump safety systems that were going in, it seems some of our enemies decided they had no reason not to suicide their capital ships. It's not a route I'd have chosen, but... when they attacked, we defended. We lost a fair number of battleships during one such encounter, but overall, held our own reasonably well. . . other than the one titan that died because the pilot accidentally shut down the defensive systems at the wrong moment.

((pilot shuts down boosts, titan shields go negative, game decides 'that can't exist!' and blows it up. Pretty damned hilarious.))


I guess it's more so some of the stupid reasons the blocks in general come up with that I don't get. I think I was around to hear about that titan incident and ya that was soo dumb ((on that note, really ccp? I would think it would just default to 1 hp or something. Oh well, that's why I'm stopping at carriers)). Being on the defense is understandable.
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