EVE General Discussion

they don't make EE majors take writing classes.

That is a general (and in this case invalid) description of griefing.


In EVE (as per the devs) suiciding is not ganking. Until you take some measure to avoid it, it is perfecting legitimate.

Now, if he followed you around to many systems hunting you (and even then its grey) it could be considered griefing. But as you won't move, or take any measures to make him move, it isn't griefing. Just you being a moron.

God... you make me want to go gank miners... and I'm a pacifist.



EDIT: and there are penalties, you try it for months on end, see how much ISK you end up with.

so, no matter how many times YOU say it's griefing, if CCP don't agree then - within the universe they created, maintain and run - it is NOT griefing.

You may feel it is, but that doesn't make it so. But you have come to the right conclusion, this game isn't for you and you should find one that better suits your play style.

tippia answered this

So if CCP says calling people names based on their race isn't racism, then according to you it wouldn't be racism?

Did you miss that part of “campaign against ice miners”?
Have you noticed the existence of kill mails?
Have you seen the Crime & Punishment subforum?
Have you seen the ice market recently?
Have you had a look at your own fittings and drops?

There are roughly eighty bajillion reasons.

…and your choice to offer yourself as a dependable and easy target for any and all of the above doesn't help.

Because some people find blowing **** up fun. Maybe that is a hard concept for you to grasp, but some people can't stand sitting in front of a screen mining all day. They prefer explosions.

Some also do it for the KBs... don't see a purpose in them myself.
Others do it for financial benefit (either scooping lot/salvage or in the case of ice, raising prices).
And others do it because they can. They can destroy, rather than build, and that is what they want to do.

When your security status gets low enough and you enter a system too high in security rating compared to your negative security status, TWO things of note happen :
(1) the NAVY of the sovereign faction will attack you (same as it happens with enemy militia players)
*** in the SPECIAL CASE EXCEPTION when you do that in a system where CONCORD has sov, then you WILL get CONCORDOKKENED, but otherwise it's just navy ships - annoying but avoidable, killable, tankable
and
(2) OTHER PLAYERS CAN SHOOT AT YOU WHENEVER THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE without getting CONCORDOKKENED themselves.

Some other noteworthy thing happens when you hit a low enough security rating, namely, somebody assisting you will get punished for doing so, but that's a different story. Still somewhat relevant though.


And yes, all of those things are fully intentional, and they *DO* make highsec quite safe, actually, since it means you don't just have to sit and watch for some guy to engage you first, you can engage "the bad guy" at any moment you damn well please.

It's a HUGE step between looking at a few slightly yellow fellows on a gate going "oh, yeah, somebody will get suicide-ganked", or looking at a bunch of flashy reds and going "I'd better get into a PvP ship and come shoot at these guys, fast".
The fact more people don't bother to go hunting for -5s or lower in highsec it's what's the REAL problem.
And it's completely a PLAYER problem.

What is said in chat usually is not covered under gameplay.

Ganking is gameplay, (griefing too, but its illegal) and CCP has say over what their gameplay is and isn't.

Fair enough, but you DO realise you're agreeing to disagree with CCP, right? Tippia is simply relaying what they have previously said, not making these rules up.

So....now what?