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Bounty System is broken
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#61 - 2015-11-29 21:35:27 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
But that is where I keep saying that you don't need a bounty system to have bounties. This game is a sandbox, put a juicy bounty on someone, state your conditions, advertise it somewhere and then don't go back on your word. Or, the other way around, offer your services to anyone who wants someone dead (and don't suck).

Well, you kind of do, but not in the full-blowin spaghetti western sense that people seem to envision when they imagine themselves working as bounty hunters.

At its core, the bounty system is this: a means to track losses in a single opponent without resorting to external (and fallible) sources such as kill boards and without having to involve the whole complexity, impreciseness, and easy evasion of wardecs. This is pretty much a necessity for the profession to work, and while it could be replicated through other means, it would be unnecessarily cumbersome to do so.

What's needed on top of that is the formal contracting and social arena — the system itself offers a very bare-bones version of this, but for serious work, you'll have to build an informal marketplace anyway, and those are the parts you correctly identify as not needing a system. Still, that basic tracking is needed as the basic foundations on top of which the looser social trust can be built.
Emperor Furiosa
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-11-30 10:27:08 UTC
It is broken for sure.

When i place bounty in a form of iskies i do exect this person podded and there is nothing to do with his ship lost. So i do see it in a stright way -> pod -> full bounty paid for the guy who laid last shot. All the rest is just minor factors.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#63 - 2015-11-30 10:35:40 UTC
If you fly expensive ships, you have a self given bounty...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-11-30 11:18:19 UTC
As far as EVE mechanics go I think the bounty system should be scrapped & left to the players to organize & moderate.

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Sumeragy
Revolution of Chaos
#65 - 2015-12-01 09:46:26 UTC
Emperor Furiosa wrote:
It is broken for sure.

When i place bounty in a form of iskies i do exect this person podded and there is nothing to do with his ship lost. So i do see it in a stright way -> pod -> full bounty paid for the guy who laid last shot. All the rest is just minor factors.


So he has a frind whos in an alt corp and shoot his own pod. Bounty goes back to him and all are happy right ?
Emperor Furiosa
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-12-01 10:04:08 UTC
Sumeragy wrote:
Emperor Furiosa wrote:
It is broken for sure.

When i place bounty in a form of iskies i do exect this person podded and there is nothing to do with his ship lost. So i do see it in a stright way -> pod -> full bounty paid for the guy who laid last shot. All the rest is just minor factors.


So he has a frind whos in an alt corp and shoot his own pod. Bounty goes back to him and all are happy right ?


Hmm yes you're right. And?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#67 - 2015-12-01 10:06:28 UTC
What we have now is better than what we had before purely because a bounty is now no longer a simple gift to the target. There's at least that to be said for it. But we won't have a workable bounty system until the issuer can restrict who can claim it. My original idea back in the day was to do this via the contracts mechanism. Being able to issue a bounty contract to an individual or even a specific Corp or alliance would immediately make it possible to increase kill rewards.

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