EVE General Discussion

it used to, but with the new bounty system you can put a bounty on anyone, any time, for any reason. The negative sec status part pretty much meant in 0.0 you couldn't bounty anyone as you don't take sec hits for 0.0 pvp.

Killing miners requires elite PVP skills?!

Anyway, the point of the OP was that many (most?) bounties are placed not to extract retribution for criminal acts ("criminal" with reference to the actual game mechanics and lore,e.g., someone killing a miner...), but quite simply to spite and harass (the "crime" being that a player is hated and/or considered trollable by another player).

I think the bounty system is largely pointless as it is. As others have pointed out, it does not motivate many players to engage in different (and more interesting) gameplay. Given that it is also a means for harassment, the game would probably be better off simply without it.

That said, how about this idea: whenever we have 1) a pilot, and 2) a CONCORD ship on grid with us, we can bribe CONCORD to give us a kill right for that pilot. Let's say the costs for that are a factor between 1 and 5 times the total worth of the present ship+cargo+implants of the target, with the factor randomly assigned to represent the willingness of the CONCORD official. And to limit newbro killing, the CONCORD officials won't even consider your bribe unless it's above some threshold, say 20 million.

This means if you are really pissed off at someone, you can blow them out of sky even in highsec (or have someone else blow them out of the sky for you). It also means that there is a new game in town, namely stalking some rich and/or well-hated pilot until they undock in something cheap. Then pay for the kill right at a bargain price, to be sold or used later for a fat kill.

Does this idea have legs?

The bounty system is awesome. It's basically just a way of keeping score. If you have a high bounty then you are obviously really good at EVE. I'm not sure if your bounty directly correlates to your penis size, but there is some kind of relationship there.

That happens in other chat channels, normally they're a bit tight with their wallet, they only give you 100k bounty.

Usually they target players that have 0 bounty and give them 100k.

NPC corp. chat channels was a favourite for some, might be why NPC corp. chat is dead boring and rarely happens these days.


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It also wouldn't surprise me if it's part of the reason people don't stay in this game, as sometimes this game just doesn't feel like an MMO.

It's not too bad when you have Rookie Help, but after 30 days when you lose it, it becomes a lot quieter.

They are not interested in fixing it, there has been one bounty hunting system invented in an mmorpg that did work which could be modified to fit with Eve.

This exact system has been suggested many times by many players yet ccp won't adopt it.

Sometimes, you don't need to reinvent the wheel.

Hal

Just me or did u just get personal on him ? Keep calm remember just a game :)

I do agree that the bounty system is kind of broken, but i still see it use there. For example putting a bounty on a guy who i dont like so he gets ganked. If i would make an alt u wont see from who it comes from. Its just how it is. Its kind of a normal gameplay mechanic in EvE to force someoen his gameplay on someoen else. Like always in EvE adapt or die. Btw i think the guy who is giving you all this bounty got a boner reading this :)

The bounty system is broken for a zillion other reasons, none of which are "the bad guys can put bounties on the good guys". The main reason the bounty system is broken is because of alt culture/exploitation. It makes any viable bounty system impossible to conceive, because people will exploit it and claim their own bounties, then others will lose faith in it and not even put out bounties, and then it's useless. There's no good way around it. Even if someone tried(and people have) to create a player driven bounty system, the golden rule in EVE is trust no one, and since there is absolutely no guarantee that the bounty hunters aren't just paying a portion of the reward to their targets to kill their ship to claim said bounty, no one has faith in it and no one should. The bounty system is the one thing in EVE that completely evades the "everything has consequences" philosophy the game tries to foster, because in order to work like CCP wants it to, bounty hunters need to receive huge payouts for kills. However, if the payout to ship worth ratio is skewed towards payout, then people will simply exploit it by allowing their ship to be killed or by doing it themselves in an alt. If the payout to ship ratio is skewed towards the ship, then people with high bounties will simply pilot cheap ships, thus there is no payout to be had, thus no one will bother to hunt them. It's a never ending cycle of failure. It can't be done in the EVE universe. The game is designed to loop hole it at every turn. Any system based on trust can not thrive, or even exist, in a game where there is no trust.

The problem is to find a system that can´t be exploided. Sometimes i think, it would just be easyer to forbid it, but that would fill the ticket systems.

There is one, and as u said trust! Your name means something in game and the same count as for my name. I won´t make deals whit someoen i don´t trust anymore or invite him to my corp etc. etc. but as you know there are ppl who like this gameplay and alts are easy made :) CCP made even a trailer for it!

As for myself i hate those guys but nothing i can do about it just to prepare for the worst case. If CCP would make a new Server whit Fluffy rules no ganking or what ever srsly i would join, even if that means i would start from scratch :)

Somehow i got the felling u would restart whit me on the fluffy server :)