Intergalactic Summit

And I see Kim's irrelevant opinion about Matari and/or Amarrian affairs still hasn't changed

Instead of seeing the glass for what it is, sees the world as part of it. It's not like we haven't joined forces against the "real enslavers" with our former enslavers before. DON'T BE SILLY!!!


Spin it into "a brave fight in the caldari spirit" "Being adaptable to any situation is the mark of a true caldari," "Heth would approve of it," or "It would improve Caldari/Amarr relations if we all shared a religion." She would have some brave sounding spin on it to cover up their mistake in trusting the reclaiming empire.

The man asked you what you would do if the Amarrians expanded the active part of the 24th Imperial Crusade to include Caldari space, Commander Kim. He asked what you would do if they started reclaiming Caldari citizens by force, instead of through soft power, as they do now.

I'd like to hear your answer to that question, too. It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer.

We find it surprising that a true-to-form soldier such as yourself would resort to baseless speculation. Why, tell us more about the assumptions you'd like to make about Amarr today based on stories you've read in the history books.

Officer Kim respects her allies enough not to fall into that trap.



As for "soft power", if a man chooses to surrender to God of his own will that act should be taken in perspective. Amarr Holderships change their practices to profit from Caldari Corporate efficiencies. The Amarr adopt your clothing, consume your television shows, and drink your sodas. There is no nefarious game of "soft power" afoot. Two cultures joined together as allies do as friends do. They adopt each other's ways and at the same time they fight to keep their uniqueness and individuality.

It seems like a shame you have to paint this cultural exchange as a Caldari net loss or an Amarr net gain.

It is axiomatic that a soldier should be polite, should be punctual and should have a plan to kill everyone he meets. Just because I believe that it is highly unlikely that the Empire will turn on the State any time soon, that doesn't mean that I believe it is impossible that they ever should do so. Commander Kim-haani and I are similar in that we have both served for lengthy periods on the Amarr warfront - I hope you would not weigh my desire to defend my home over concrete actions taken in the defence of your Empire?





You must excuse me, ma'am, but I have Amarrian friends and colleagues and I know that the Empire has the goal of converting all of humanity to their Faith. That goal is fundamentally and intrinsically apposite to The State's goal of protecting it's culture and remaining independent. If a Caldari citizen is convinced to surrender to God of his own will then that act is due to "soft power" and I do not hold the Empire in any way culpable for it - that is taking the act in the proper perspective. If the Empire were to invade, imprison and enslave Caldari and subject them to forced conversion through generational slavery then this would be through "hard power" and it would invoke a very dissimilar response.

Please understand, however, that just because I term the peaceful route as "soft power" it doesn't mean that I view it as a nefarious game. It is your faith. It is your culture. It is you being authentically you, so as to speak, and I do not hold your culture or your faith against you. In fact, should you convert the Caldari to your faith through that route, I would say that you simply came out best in the Marketplace of Ideas.

I was interested merely in Commander Kim's reaction and only because she seemed to misunderstand the question. She has now answered - that she would fight to the death. As would I. As would many, many Caldari.

Also, I would like to point out that questions like that are insinuations against honor of our allies, Amarr Empire.
Unlike dishonorable Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation, who were known to backstab multiple of times, the Amarr Empire is honorable ally, and discussing possibilities of their attack on us is an insult to their honor, as well as dishonoring those, who make such insinuations, since they are made on the basis of pure imagination and not facts, that would affect honor of our allies.

Asking questions like that is unbecoming to an honorable officer.

We are satisfied with your response, Mr. Tuulinen and we hope you do not take insult from our words. We value your present and past service. But as much as we value it, we also feel it necessary to attack any insinuation of Amarr treachery and oppression when none is committed. This bird is perhaps overzealous in her defense of Empire, but perhaps as a Patriot you would understand that reaction.





Were you suddenly of the Amarr Faith and we are misunderstanding? We don't ever recall lecturing you on the tenets of your faith, or what we stereotype the central beliefs of your culture to be. You've never met us, or taken the time to understand who we are and what our motivations could be. Of course we would be happy to sit down and discuss philosophy and life and war and peace with you.

But this sort of blanket statement? Comfort yourself with it if you'd like. What you're doing here is the same thing the Matari accuse the Amarr of doing time and again.

Why do you people continue to address Kim? She's completely irrational, incapable of holding a logical discussion, a bigot, advocate of mass murder of civilians, sociopath and bad IGS poster. If you keep feeding this troll it will just continue to froth at the mouth and vomit its vile message all over the IGS.

For the sake of all things good and decent please do not continue to feed this troll! Let her argue with herself and soon enough it will grow bored and go away.

I respectfully disagree. Whilst the endless baiting is tiresome, Commander Kim is remarkably consistent, and rational within her own terms of reference.

Liberty demands that we see all points of view. We should suppress nothing, least of all that which displeases us. Liberty also provides us with the choice to ignore the tiresome, or to engage further with it.

Commander Kim is important to this forum because she reminds us of what the State can become if left unchecked by humanity. Most of the Caldari here are eminently reasonable, to the extent that the State is widely viewed as the best 'partner' for all sides, something to which to aspire. Without Kim and her occasional acolytes, they would enjoy a very powerful propaganda advantage, one that affords the mega-corporations immense leverage in trade deals and thus power. The Commander's rhetoric serves a very useful counter-balance, revealing the real face behind the smiling mask.

She also serves a similar purpose for the Federation, though I suspect it would pain her to hear me say this. Demagoguery and the demonisation of the 'other' is easy to see in opponents, and yet horribly enchanting when it comes from one's own. Duvalier and Heth are two sides of the same coin - both offering easy, black and white solutions where thinking is not encouraged, and Liberty roughly shut in a cell using 'emergency powers'.

There, I asserted the unthinkable. Diana Kim is the conscience of the Federation.

I am not now, nor ever will be a member of your faith. As such I do not hope to lecture you on the nuances of your ideology. I am merely repeating to you the Message the Amarr Empire has has been broadcasting to my people for centuries. If I am mistaken, and the Reclamation, the effort to convert all people to your faith has been abandoned, and shall never again be taken up, please correct my mistake. There is no shame in being corrected by one who is more knowledgeable.



Should you wish to engage in such a discussion with me, I shall gladly accept.

Filthy gallentean swine!
How dare you compare your inhuman fascist and occupant Duvalier to the greatest Caldari Hero, who has liberated our Homeworld from 200 years of gallente occupation and oppression?!

And you dare to say it after he DID sign treaty with your dishonorable Federation, which you have obviously violated anyway just to try to occupy our homeworld again.

Shame on you, gallentean.