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The 2,000 AUR question: take or leave?
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Freezehunter
#121 - 2011-12-17 15:58:25 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Disdaine is either trolling or just very ********.

By his brain dead logic, why be able to manufacture ammunition, crystals, drones, missiles, scripts, or anything else that is worth less than 1.3 bil isk (the monocle), when it could be instead bought from NEX with real $$$?

If he wants CCP to do that so bad, maybe this game needs to be F2P, I would be able to accept everything costing real money, then.

I thought that Eve players are intelligent, but they seem to be getting more ******** each year.


You weren't breastfed were you? Housebrand formula if you ask me.


Yeah, he's trolling...

Also, I have no parents, **** you.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Flakey Foont
#122 - 2011-12-17 16:00:43 UTC
It's YOUR choice.

But then again, most people can not make a choice without seeing what everyone else is doing....
Disdaine
#123 - 2011-12-17 16:00:44 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:

Also, I have no parents, **** you.


Has there been some scientific breakthrough that I'm unaware of?


Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#124 - 2011-12-17 16:04:10 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
You can scrap NEX tomorrow and simply move the clothing to factional LP stores. This is not a great deal of work. And the immediate payoff is a better intergrated system that will still put clothes on the market for you to buy - if you want to buy these things in cash you can convert plex and do it. But the point is they will come from player activity in gameplay and eve as a whole will be the richer for it.


Great. So do it. I might suggest an overhaul of the LP store interface while they're at it. Then once that exists the nex will serve no purpose and can fall by the wayside, or maybe CCP will use it to sell extraneous things like character re-customization, alliance logo redesigns, whatever.


So its fair to say you now support the principle of removing the NeX store and transfering all existing and (unreleased) NeX content into the Faction loyalty point stores so that players can purchase this content with gameplay earned LP points and resale on the market right?

If this is now your position then there isn't really much left to debate about.

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Just to clarify. I have no problem with the NEX in its current implementation. Obviously some do. They call for its removal because its an evil game destroying entity out to devour the old and weak.


No we call for its removal because as Tippia has explained to you it blocks the provision of content wanted by Eve players. The NeX store ensured that CCP needed to break their promise to enrich the character designer, to break their promise to bring player led industry to Incarna, to break their promise about actual content through Incarna. And the finally irony - because CCP is so utterly embarrased by NeX and the aurum fiasco it can't even release the remainder of content flagged for the NeX store because they know there will be another flare up of bad press and anti CCP sentiment if they do so.

NeX is not about devouring the "old and the weak" its about a creeping contamination of Eve Online by wow-infected sparkle-ponyism providing to the lazy and clueless. Click button get content is a betrayal of eve online's player led industry and content gameplay. In this game it takes effort to get flashy things. And thats one of the things that's kept it successful.

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I like to purchase clothes and monocles either through the nex or market. If the Nex is removed the prices of these items will skyrocket. Once there is an industry in place to provide the same services as the Nex then it is redundant and then it can be removed.


So join me in asking CCP to replace the NeX store as a priority - with all existing and unpublished content going into the faction loyalty point stores. Problem solved.

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Until then I do not wish to see it removed. So instead of trying to convince me of how evil the Nex is, why don't you start convincing CCP to develop an alternate means of delivering these services. You'll find it a lot easier to get someone to ditch a service if there is someone else able to supply that service.


I don't think anyone is actually arguing that all the NeX content should be thrown away with the NeX store - instead it needs to be liberated and brought into the mainstream player led market of the game.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jagaroth
Black Moon Mining
#125 - 2011-12-17 16:04:41 UTC
On this account I took the Aurum because:


a) I haven't flown a destroyer for five years and don't intend to start now
b) I can get faction ammo from one of the many NPC corps I have banked LP with
c) I already have every give-away unique-useless ship CCP have issued
d) I don't need implants that I've already got
e) My alt got the fuel blocks for my POS

and

f) Older characters don't need remaps. I had to look them up to find out what they were for.

Aurum is the only thing that I need that I can't acquire without paying extra. I can save that up and use it to buy clothes for my harem of female alts. And perhaps some new trousers when CCP unlock them - I hate bulging mid-thigh pockets damnit.

But otherwise I agree with Jade that Nex/MT is a bad idea. WiS was supposed to be integrated; what we got was not the line we were fed for so many years. I like the idea of having avatars in stations and don't want it to fall flat despite the whinging naysayers. There were some great ideas floating around once upon a time (manufacturing clothing lines, renting shop floors, visiting bars and playing games) and some of us have been paying subscriptions for several years which (one would hope) should have been put towards developing those idea. Nex is not the way forward, but that does not mean to say a separate currency system should be removed or that players cannot pay for vanity items with RL cash... so long as it is integrated properly with the existing system and at a reasonable price.

Free Aurum works for me in that respect, so I took it. What?
Disdaine
#126 - 2011-12-17 16:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Jade Constantine wrote:

So join me in asking CCP to replace the NeX store as a priority - with all existing and unpublished content going into the faction loyalty point stores. Problem solved.


No problem with replacing the NEX , only with removing it. +1
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#127 - 2011-12-17 16:22:29 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

So join me in asking CCP to replace the NeX store as a priority - with all existing and unpublished content going into the faction loyalty point stores. Problem solved.


No problem with replacing the NEX , only with removing it. +1


Kinda heartwarming to see what we can achieve with sustained discussion :)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jonathan Malcom
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2011-12-17 16:49:43 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Oh hai thar Testie.

Yes, I concede to the "not being able to manufacture clothing is destroying eve" duos flawless arguments.


I can preface my posts with an ASCII penis if that would make you more comfortable with my alliance tag.

But the fact that you've resorted to personal attacks is a clear indication that you're not here to represent any particular perspective. You're just looking to get a rise from people.

As trolling goes, this is pretty mundane. Aspire to greater things.
Disdaine
#129 - 2011-12-17 22:55:27 UTC
Jonathan Malcom wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Oh hai thar Testie.

Yes, I concede to the "not being able to manufacture clothing is destroying eve" duos flawless arguments.


I can preface my posts with an ASCII ***** if that would make you more comfortable with my alliance tag.

But the fact that you've resorted to personal attacks is a clear indication that you're not here to represent any particular perspective. You're just looking to get a rise from people.

As trolling goes, this is pretty mundane. Aspire to greater things.


You should try and constrain yourself to your thread on K. It's where you belong.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#130 - 2011-12-17 23:15:48 UTC
I'm sure it benefits most people to go with the remap.

Personally I don't use them, never have.

After the first few months playing I stopped worrying about how long training took. There was plenty to keep me busy with the skills I already had. In that regard I guess I'm just more focused on enjoying myself than on statistical gains.

I also realize that is a very unpopular stance to have in EVE, so I'm not advocating my decision to others, just commenting on it.

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