Ships & Modules

i thought it was an iffy statement tbh.

the dd is also screwed by any neut

lol yeah so either rails + navy web @ ~230dps

or risk neuts w blasters

also succubus in small neut range?

Both of the ships in the above example are IMO the best Minmatar frigates currently, but what can you fight? In a 1v1 the breacher is out brawled by pretty much any other brawling ship and a kitting breacher is done better by a kestrel, same goes for fleet setting. While the slasher can be extremely effective against some targets using the TD, the amount of targets is very very limited and in a fleet setting does not have the dps projection nor tank to survive.

I was recently in a group of 5 rocket breachers, and 5 tormentors warp in. With drones already out we primary the first target and... are all dead within 1 min and did not get a single kill. Yes we were all in range and applying dps... i just cant see this as balanced. Sure we could have been using light missiles and stayed out of range but again this roll is better suited for a kestrel.

This may be true in a 1v1 scenario but when you enter the fleet realm its really a different story. Even with the new changes coming to Minmatar frigates there is really not a good choice for a fleet doctrine in comparison to other races.

The question is pretty terrible tbh.

Take the sacrilege - its a horrible ship for all sorts of pve, its a bad solo or micro gang pvp ship, its a horrible large scale pvp fit - yet its one of the best small scale - med scale ships there is and by far the best hac atm for that. Impossible to rate that.



That said, minmatar is by far the worst race of the all, all other 3 are fairly well balanced between themselves but minmatar ships suck. Svipul opness is their saving grace but that wont last much longer.

So, assuming you're a newbro just getting started I'll answer like this:

Start gallente. Get you armor tanking skills and gunnery skills (guns and gunnery support) to all at lvl 4 (exception is weapons upgrades and hull upgrades both to level 5 - unlocking adv weapons upgrades and allowing DCII to be fit). At the same time get your drone support skills up to 3 and get to where you can drop 5 med T2 drones. Get frigates to 5 to unlock T2 frigates. Get cruiser to 4 and BC to 4 also. Strongly consider getting T2 small and medium guns. Get the basic engineering skills to 4 and the basic nav skills to 4 also (yeah it's a lot of stuff you need all at once)

A general newbro training maxim for early on. Any lower tier skill you train is worth training immediately to 3. Get it to 4 when you can. Level 5 is for a few necessities to unlock other things you need. Max stuff later once you have a good foundation.

Congrats - you've reached the first plateu. Up until now you've been training things you needed to train. Choices start to happen at this point.

The Maxer - keep going pure gallente and push for cruiser, BC and BS to 5 and go for T2 large hybrids. Polish off those armor and gunnery skills. Get all small and med drones and support skills to 5. Get at least one race T2 large and sentry drones. Once you have mastered all that is gallente - look to the other races for more fun.

The All Arounder - Move to get amarr ships. You already have the armor and gunner support skills. Just add lasers and start working on those missile skills. Get both gallente and amarr BS to 4 and push one of them to level 5 if you really like how one of them flies. Amarr pulls in missiles, so get the missile support skills to all 4s and get (pick your favorite two) T2 rockets/missiles/heavies. Now that you have a grip on armor/shield/drones/hybrid/laser it's 2 quick steps to the finish line. Get shields and caldari or projectiles and minny. Swap as necessary.

From here on out you can train stuff that interests you. Polish up your armor and shield support skills to 5, your gunner supports to 5 and then your drone supports to 5.

Another way to look at it:

Gallente - armor / hybrid / drone (3 things)
Amarr - armor / laser / missile (3 things)
Caldari - shield / missile / hybrid (3 things)
Minny - armor / shield / projectile / missile (4 things)


General observation over a decade of playing eve:
0 - 15 mil SP - you are totally defensive training things you need to train
15 - 30 mil SP - you have some choices and take the time to max some things you like
30 - 60 mil SP - life is good - you are training only what you want to train. Your tough decision is to embark on a month long skill or not.
60 mil and up - life is awesome. You've mastered several things you like and have the ability to enjoy the eve you like while your skill que takes you to mastery of anything you like. Your only issues at this point are bitter vet syndrome and hubris.

I had a blast flying frigates for my first 3 years (couldn't afford much else). Moved on to BS. Was then pleasantly surprised by how awesome amarr T2 cruisers were. Finally became fascinated w/ command ships as front line pvp vehicles. Along the way I dabbled in bombers, recons and am now playing around w/ pirate hulls. It's been a great ride. Just remember - train what interests you!