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Ship bouncing with different masses
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Commander Riggs
Geier GmbH
#1 - 2015-11-18 07:20:45 UTC
One of the most strange this to me is, how is it possible that a small frigate with a mass of 1.500.000kg is able to bounce a capital ship with 960.000.000 over hundreds of kilometers?

This makes no sense and is even not realistic. The frigate should crash or even get damaged. It is like flying a mosquito into an asteroid and bounce the asteriod. The developers should care a bit more for the physics Blink

Commander Riggs
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#2 - 2015-11-18 07:27:39 UTC
Welcome to EVE physics.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2015-11-18 07:32:05 UTC
If we want to deal with realism there are far better places to start but good news games aren't bound by the logic of the real world

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2015-11-18 07:35:48 UTC
A frigate can't bump a capital any meaningful distance.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-11-18 08:18:10 UTC
I don't see any ideas nor a feature... If you want it to change why don't you add more info on how it should work, cause what you wrote so far will not go far
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#6 - 2015-11-18 09:19:12 UTC
It's not going anywhere anyway it's just a repeat thread.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#7 - 2015-11-18 09:31:34 UTC
Commander Riggs wrote:
This makes no sense and is even not realistic.


Roll its just a game mate

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-11-18 09:59:54 UTC
OP if you're going to start worrying about eves physics you're going to be there a while.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2015-11-18 11:13:41 UTC
A mosquito flying into an asteroid in space DOES move the asteroid...

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-11-18 14:41:10 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I don't see any ideas nor a feature... If you want it to change why don't you add more info on how it should work, cause what you wrote so far will not go far

The baisc idea here is plain to see, make EvE physics more in line with physics in real life.
You do not have to agree with idea but to say that there is no idea in the OP is simply being blind, or willfully ignoring what is there. You can decide for yourself which of these is true in your specific case.

Daichi Yamato wrote:
A mosquito flying into an asteroid in space DOES move the asteroid...

Maybe, depending on relative sizes. But even if we accept that your assessment as correct the important question is is how far would that asteroid move and would you be able to measure it?
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-11-18 15:14:31 UTC
Commander Riggs wrote:
One of the most strange this to me is, how is it possible that a small frigate with a mass of 1.500.000kg is able to bounce a capital ship with 960.000.000 over hundreds of kilometers?

This makes no sense and is even not realistic. The frigate should crash or even get damaged. It is like flying a mosquito into an asteroid and bounce the asteriod. The developers should care a bit more for the physics Blink

Commander Riggs


I never seen a frig bumping a capital this distance, do you have a video or something more than your statement?
Commander Riggs
Geier GmbH
#12 - 2015-11-18 15:32:29 UTC
Just come to Teonusude with an Orca. I will Show you how to easy it is to bounce you with a Tristan a few hundred Kilometers Blink
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#13 - 2015-11-18 18:51:20 UTC
Oh, boy. Maybe it's time for me to go on another break...and perhaps I'm not the only one at that. Now, if there was more **** to do in this town, that's be a lot easier.

I think it would be better if we told him that Eve is closer to a submarine sim than a game with actual astrophysics. Ships shouldn't stop on a dime like they do just by turning off the engines either, pretty sure planetary bodies should have orbital behaviors, asteroids don't form in a 50km wide sideways "c", and at some point not seeing one binary star formation in over several thousand stars should spell "bull-****", so...yeah, you're just telling us what we already know. To be fair, Eve and CCP can only do so much before it just becomes easier to expect people to use their imagination if only a little bit.

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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-11-18 18:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
Donnachadh wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I don't see any ideas nor a feature... If you want it to change why don't you add more info on how it should work, cause what you wrote so far will not go far

The baisc idea here is plain to see, make EvE physics more in line with physics in real life.
You do not have to agree with idea but to say that there is no idea in the OP is simply being blind, or willfully ignoring what is there. You can decide for yourself which of these is true in your specific case.

Daichi Yamato wrote:
A mosquito flying into an asteroid in space DOES move the asteroid...

Maybe, depending on relative sizes. But even if we accept that your assessment as correct the important question is is how far would that asteroid move and would you be able to measure it?


Everything is mesurable over time, and the mosquito doesn't even have to hit the asteroid to change its trajectory, it can orbit the asteroid in a proper position to be a "gravity tractor." Seems silly but it is has been a proposal on how to move near earth asteroids that may threaten the planet.

ed* obviously not with mosquitos

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#15 - 2015-11-19 06:37:58 UTC
to be fair - if he's asking for collision mechanics to chance slightly, I could understand that, but I'm not entirely sure what the feature/idea is.....

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-11-19 06:49:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiasa Kite
Donnachadh wrote:
The baisc idea here is plain to see, make EvE physics more in line with physics in real life.

Hang on there bud. You want EVE physics to be more true to life. However, instead of addressing the glaringly obvious "submarines in space", you instead cite bumping as the target for change.

I smell ulterior motive.

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Iain Cariaba
#17 - 2015-11-19 08:03:23 UTC
Zimmer Jones wrote:
ed* obviously not with mosquitos

You obviously haven't seen the mosquitos where I live. They've been know to carry off small to medium sized dogs. Big smile
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#18 - 2015-11-19 08:19:10 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
The baisc idea here is plain to see, make EvE physics more in line with physics in real life.
You do not have to agree with idea but to say that there is no idea in the OP is simply being blind, or willfully ignoring what is there. You can decide for yourself which of these is true in your specific case.


The purpose of the F&I sub-forum is that you're supposed to clearly state your idea or suggested feature, together with all the pros and cons in order to facilitate a meaningful discussion. OP smells more like today's nerf bumping thread.

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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#19 - 2015-11-19 10:41:28 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Zimmer Jones wrote:
ed* obviously not with mosquitos

You obviously haven't seen the mosquitos where I live. They've been know to carry off small to medium sized dogs. Big smile

Yeah, some of the neighbors installed anti-air batteries for pest control of the things around here. It's not working, but enough of us survive to repopulate each year.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#20 - 2015-11-20 01:00:20 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
A mosquito flying into an asteroid in space DOES move the asteroid...

Maybe, depending on relative sizes. But even if we accept that your assessment as correct the important question is is how far would that asteroid move and would you be able to measure it?

Not maybe. Definitely.

It's called the Law of Conservation of Momentum. It describes how much that mosquito will move that asteroid.

We're talking high-school level science here.
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