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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#41 - 2015-11-24 17:26:24 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:



Let me bottom line the offensive cap into a hostile connection - Post the mass/range change it doesn't really happen anymore. Jumping a single cap into a hostile wh is pretty much throwing it away. A SINGLE cap from a c4 would most likely be bumped, nueted and destroyed. If it's a carrier - it gets neuted and killed. Triage may prolong it's life a bit, but there isn't much hope for a solo carrier. If it's a dread - (you guessed it) it gets nueted and killed. Sieging it will allow it to die faster and without assistance. Any 2 home system dreads will wonk a solo cap due to mass/range. It's just really bad math. You arguing it as a possibility is either a troll or shows your lack of experience w/ caps in wh.

Let me bottom line C5/C6 escallation pve - risk / reward dictates you need to live in one to get the benefits. End of story. WH space isn't SOV null where you get to cheese your way through things. You need to live in the dream to live the dream.



Okay i give you one example to show, that a single capital idneed is NOT a throw away, lets pick 2 random groups, who indeed can be an example here, the ones choosen are ADHC (C4) and shadows in space (C5) (i could also pick LDB or Spectraliz IIZ), ADHC can in fact field a Setup like ~ 2 Vindis 2 Bhaal 4 Guardians 1 Dread + more logis or webs if needed (well not 24/7 obviously), shadows in space prefers their dual-chimera + 8 Sub-Cap escalation (something they drop on you VERY quickly in their home)
A singledread wont be a throw-away in those situations, in fact it can turn the fight into ADHCs favor, however if ADHC fields their 3 basis + 5-6 Rattlesnake + Loki Setup, they wont go anywhere and have to withdraw.

Now another example -> a random C2-Corp vs C5 corp, if this c2 corp would have had a dread .... Well some T3s would have died for sure.

Another example, we met a C5 group not long a ago, they used 3 Thannys 1 Huginn + some other subs to escalate on us, we barely managed to tank their fleet with just 4 Basis and had to withdraw, however 1 triage would have allowed us to win this battle without any issues, because we had enough neuting to be a serious threat to their Capitals

Another example, this time dura lexx and w-space citizens, they REALLY love to warpin a cap at range to your rattingfleet in C5s and TRY to **** you up, imagine if we would have a dread as addition to our sabre on standby to kill this dual nano, warpcorestabbed Nidhi they love so much to warp into us (dragbubble at it's home WH, siege green, blap carrier, profit), where's the risk vs reward there?!

I in fact can name you several corps, engagements and situations where ONE Capital could have changed absolutely everything in seconds, however it does not allow you to drop a capital on everybody, it just opens possibilities.

And Blood Uinion has proven, that 1 Moros can overwhelm 2-3 Dreads as well, just check out "one dread army" on youtube.

Well escalation pve has been brought up by myself, again -> i hope solodread gets impossible postrebalance.

regards
rc



Squirrels must just love you to death!
Static Bearing Denied
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-11-26 20:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Static Bearing Denied
Or you could stop whine and make bad suggestion and go live in c5 and take risk instead of hide and cap blob in you elite c2
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#43 - 2015-11-26 20:30:16 UTC
Sounds like you want CCP to change something for you that can be remedied by simply moving up, except you wanna stay in low class and be the power there by being able to bring caps to folks you don't play dead with.
Oskolda Eriker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2015-11-26 21:02:20 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:

Another example, this time dura lexx and w-space citizens, they REALLY love to warpin a cap at range to your rattingfleet in C5s and TRY to **** you up, imagine if we would have a dread as addition to our sabre on standby to kill this dual nano, warpcorestabbed Nidhi they love so much to warp into us (dragbubble at it's home WH, siege green, blap carrier, profit), where's the risk vs reward there?!

I in fact can name you several corps, engagements and situations where ONE Capital could have changed absolutely everything in seconds, however it does not allow you to drop a capital on everybody, it just opens possibilities.

And Blood Uinion has proven, that 1 Moros can overwhelm 2-3 Dreads as well, just check out "one dread army" on youtube.

Well escalation pve has been brought up by myself, again -> i hope solodread gets impossible postrebalance.

regards
rc

You have problems with killing stabbed nidhi?
Static Bearing Denied
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-11-26 22:29:05 UTC
Oskolda Eriker wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:

Another example, this time dura lexx and w-space citizens, they REALLY love to warpin a cap at range to your rattingfleet in C5s and TRY to **** you up, imagine if we would have a dread as addition to our sabre on standby to kill this dual nano, warpcorestabbed Nidhi they love so much to warp into us (dragbubble at it's home WH, siege green, blap carrier, profit), where's the risk vs reward there?!

I in fact can name you several corps, engagements and situations where ONE Capital could have changed absolutely everything in seconds, however it does not allow you to drop a capital on everybody, it just opens possibilities.

And Blood Uinion has proven, that 1 Moros can overwhelm 2-3 Dreads as well, just check out "one dread army" on youtube.

Well escalation pve has been brought up by myself, again -> i hope solodread gets impossible postrebalance.

regards
rc

You have problems with killing stabbed nidhi?


He just angry he not able to kill nidhi so he think of stupid idea instead
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#46 - 2015-11-27 09:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: RcTamiya
1. we aint hiding, hidden as far as i remember we allready spoke about that in a public channel ;)

2. we can kill stabbed nidhi, but obviously stabbed nidhi has friends and our commited fleet in c5 sites can't move dps out to kill it

3. no, actually i am not angry at all, just giving examples

4. how can you cap blob with just 1 cap? *shrugs*

EDIT: nice troll with those alts btw ;)
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-11-27 10:47:05 UTC
Oskolda Eriker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2015-11-27 11:37:21 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
1. we aint hiding, hidden as far as i remember we allready spoke about that in a public channel ;)

2. we can kill stabbed nidhi, but obviously stabbed nidhi has friends and our commited fleet in c5 sites can't move dps out to kill it

EDIT: nice troll with those alts btw ;)

oh Yeah One dread will save you from nidhi friends (no problem for dura to jump 2 dread and couple of bs fleet), that just foolishly
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#49 - 2015-11-27 12:40:13 UTC
I think you need an Anti- Higg's Mass Reducer that will cancel out the mass of your ship passing through a wormhole so you can jump from a small wormhole into a larger one and vice versus.

Basically the Anti-Higg's Mass Reducer would eliminate mass produced by a ship by creating a field around the ship that remove the mass from particles coming into contact with the field. Regardless of how much mass the ship actually had if there is not any mass effecting on the ship traveling through the wormhole from particles with mass in the wormhole. Then how does the wormhole actually know that a ship with mass actually exists?
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#50 - 2015-11-27 12:41:51 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
I think you need an Anti- Higg's Mass Reducer that will cancel out the mass of your ship passing through a wormhole so you can jump from a small wormhole into a larger one and vice versus.

Basically the Anti-Higg's Mass Reducer would eliminate mass produced by a ship by creating a field around the ship that remove the mass from particles coming into contact with the field. Regardless of how much mass the ship actually had if there is not any mass effecting on the ship traveling through the wormhole from particles with mass in the wormhole. Then how does the wormhole actually know that a ship with mass actually exists?



But it would allow people to seed captials into low-class wormholes :/
We don't want that :P
Static Bearing Denied
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-11-27 15:58:18 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
1. we aint hiding, hidden as far as i remember we allready spoke about that in a public channel ;)

2. we can kill stabbed nidhi, but obviously stabbed nidhi has friends and our commited fleet in c5 sites can't move dps out to kill it

3. no, actually i am not angry at all, just giving examples

4. how can you cap blob with just 1 cap? *shrugs*

EDIT: nice troll with those alts btw ;)


Maybe you should stop run site 24/7 if youwere real pvp corp you would able to kill nidhi instead of complain "cant move site fleet to kill"
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#52 - 2015-11-27 16:23:30 UTC
Static Bearing Denied wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:
1. we aint hiding, hidden as far as i remember we allready spoke about that in a public channel ;)

2. we can kill stabbed nidhi, but obviously stabbed nidhi has friends and our commited fleet in c5 sites can't move dps out to kill it

3. no, actually i am not angry at all, just giving examples

4. how can you cap blob with just 1 cap? *shrugs*

EDIT: nice troll with those alts btw ;)


Maybe you should stop run site 24/7 if youwere real pvp corp you would able to kill nidhi instead of complain "cant move site fleet to kill"



bad troll still ;)

However with a dread your fleet setup is different, a elite pvper as you are should know that, obviously with other tools the way how you can react changes too, you should also know that
Any useful feedback here or just trolls ?
Oskolda Eriker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-11-27 17:52:29 UTC
Ok one feedback:
No risk-no dread
Static Bearing Denied
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-11-28 00:15:47 UTC
Oskolda Eriker thank you
You completely right

So this guy if wants to pvp or is as good as he think he is he should move to c5 or c6 space.
He so bad he even not have idea that there are no dynamic wormhole in highclass wormhole space, he too used to his c2

In case someone not know - C5 and C6 do not get random connection to more low class wormhole - except frighole.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#55 - 2015-11-28 01:23:37 UTC
I have no idea what's really going on in this thread. But if it actually generates content then I say


Hell Yeah

NB4 c2 dread vs c5 dread.....at the sun

I'm right behind you
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#56 - 2015-11-28 07:17:11 UTC
Static Bearing Denied wrote:
Oskolda Eriker thank you
You completely right

So this guy if wants to pvp or is as good as he think he is he should move to c5 or c6 space.
He so bad he even not have idea that there are no dynamic wormhole in highclass wormhole space, he too used to his c2

In case someone not know - C5 and C6 do not get random connection to more low class wormhole - except frighole.



mhm intresting, read thread agian, i was talking about dynamics from low class to high class, which do in fact excist, sorry honey...
Oskolda Eriker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2015-11-28 15:02:41 UTC
Alundil wrote:
I have no idea what's really going on in this thread. But if it actually generates content then I say


Hell Yeah

NB4 c2 dread vs c5 dread.....at the sun

I think, that idea, not about content generation, but about solo dread farming wh 5cl fron 2cl
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#58 - 2015-11-28 17:01:41 UTC
I think that what W-Space needs is to be able to produce its very first Wormhole Class of ship only able to be built in any of the wormhole classes. These new type of ships would be designed around each race but would have a Sleeper look to them. The class of ship would be larger than a normal battleship but still smaller than a Dred so that a C-1 wormhole corporation could effectively launch a strike against a a C-5 wormhole corporation using the new type of ship.

These new types of ships would generate 25% less mass when passing through a wormhole, would be able to negate up to 25% of a wormholes penalties as well as micro warp jumping a fleet that is within it micro warp bubble.

We definitely need to see a class of ship built inside W-space that resembles Sleeper technology to the fullest. Maybe such a ship would be able to be used to defeat the Drifters.
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#59 - 2015-11-28 17:06:00 UTC
Oskolda Eriker wrote:
Alundil wrote:
I have no idea what's really going on in this thread. But if it actually generates content then I say


Hell Yeah

NB4 c2 dread vs c5 dread.....at the sun

I think, that idea, not about content generation, but about solo dread farming wh 5cl fron 2cl


i wrote i hope that ccp makes taht impossible with the changes, so?!

i agree dryson, it sounds like drifters ;)
as far as i know/read it's planed to get them as playable ships (obviously without their DD)
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